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The Buffista Book Club: the Harry Potter iteration  

This thread is a focused discussion group. Please see the first post below for the current topic and upcoming book discussions. While natter will inevitably happen, we encourage you to treat this like a virtual book club and try to keep your posts in that spirit.

By consensus, this thread is reopened specifically to discuss Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. It will be closed again once that discussion has run its course.

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Sophia Brooks - Oct 22, 2007 7:38:18 am PDT #3128 of 3301
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Wow, I missed a lot....


Trudy Booth - Oct 22, 2007 7:43:19 am PDT #3129 of 3301
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I actually find it a little strange when JKR answers questions about her characters outside of the books. Not that it's wrong, or that she wouldn't be the best person to know the answers to these questions. For me, however, the entire character is contained in the story and any extra-textual information, even coming from the author, is virtually meaningless to me.

In theater terms, I guess we'd say she's a little more Method -- she has a whole back story (apparently boxes and boxes of it) and gets into motivations etc., You're more Practical Asthetics -- whats on the page is all that matters.

Of course, both say they're based in Stanislavksky, so what are you going to do?


Glamcookie - Oct 22, 2007 8:29:51 am PDT #3130 of 3301
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

I did notice that there was no one in the HP series who was gay or questioning prior to the Dumbledore reveal. While it is a YA series and is not about anyone's sexuality, there was quite a bit about romantic feelings (Ron/Hermione, Harry/Cho/Jenny) and couples (the aforementioned as well as Tonks/Lupin, Charlie/Fleur, and others). I always thought it would have been quite nice to have a random kid (or even one of the main kids) who was gay w/o a big deal being made of it. To have this Dumbledore thing after the fact just feels silly to me. Either go there or don't, you know? It would have been nice for gay kids to have someone to relate to in that way and what a coup for it to have been Dumbledore!


Emily - Oct 22, 2007 10:07:19 am PDT #3131 of 3301
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

It's like deleted scenes on a DVD, really. Nice to know, but not necessarily canon.


§ ita § - Oct 22, 2007 10:19:32 am PDT #3132 of 3301
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

not necessarily canon

In what way? I mean--either it is or it isn't. I've been wondering recently if there's a word used in fandom like fanon, except by the work's creator--not in the primary text, in fact, just delivered conversationally.


Dana - Oct 22, 2007 10:20:41 am PDT #3133 of 3301
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

I've been wondering recently if there's a word used in fandom like fanon, except by the work's creator--not in the primary text, in fact, just delivered conversationally.

I've heard the word "supertext" used, though more for things like "This actor had to leave the show because of a contract dispute," and how that kind of knowledge can affect your reading of a text.


Typo Boy - Oct 22, 2007 10:21:24 am PDT #3134 of 3301
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I think fanon from the work's creator is still just fanon - albeit from an especially credible source. If the creator wants it to be canon he or she needs to write a short story or poem or comic book or something.


Emily - Oct 22, 2007 10:22:51 am PDT #3135 of 3301
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

In what way? I mean--either it is or it isn't.

Yes. But which is it? Maybe I think it's canon because she wrote the book, and you don't think it's canon because it's not in the book. Perhaps I should have said "not clearly canon" or "not canon by definition but some might regard it that way."


Typo Boy - Oct 22, 2007 10:26:50 am PDT #3136 of 3301
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I think ita or someone actually gave an good example of why "not in the book" equals "not canon". Joss Whedon was famous for making comments and then later in the actual show contradicting what he said. (Of course that happened with stuff actually in the show as well...)


§ ita § - Oct 22, 2007 11:07:10 am PDT #3137 of 3301
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Joss can Joss himself, but he can Kripke himself also.

I probably look at it as a case by case thing. I'm totally down with Dumbledore being gay. But I'm also sure there've been things in articles about other 'verses that made me respond "No, you needed to say it!"