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The Buffista Book Club: the Harry Potter iteration  

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Glamcookie - Oct 22, 2007 8:29:51 am PDT #3130 of 3301
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

I did notice that there was no one in the HP series who was gay or questioning prior to the Dumbledore reveal. While it is a YA series and is not about anyone's sexuality, there was quite a bit about romantic feelings (Ron/Hermione, Harry/Cho/Jenny) and couples (the aforementioned as well as Tonks/Lupin, Charlie/Fleur, and others). I always thought it would have been quite nice to have a random kid (or even one of the main kids) who was gay w/o a big deal being made of it. To have this Dumbledore thing after the fact just feels silly to me. Either go there or don't, you know? It would have been nice for gay kids to have someone to relate to in that way and what a coup for it to have been Dumbledore!


Emily - Oct 22, 2007 10:07:19 am PDT #3131 of 3301
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

It's like deleted scenes on a DVD, really. Nice to know, but not necessarily canon.


§ ita § - Oct 22, 2007 10:19:32 am PDT #3132 of 3301
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

not necessarily canon

In what way? I mean--either it is or it isn't. I've been wondering recently if there's a word used in fandom like fanon, except by the work's creator--not in the primary text, in fact, just delivered conversationally.


Dana - Oct 22, 2007 10:20:41 am PDT #3133 of 3301
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

I've been wondering recently if there's a word used in fandom like fanon, except by the work's creator--not in the primary text, in fact, just delivered conversationally.

I've heard the word "supertext" used, though more for things like "This actor had to leave the show because of a contract dispute," and how that kind of knowledge can affect your reading of a text.


Typo Boy - Oct 22, 2007 10:21:24 am PDT #3134 of 3301
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I think fanon from the work's creator is still just fanon - albeit from an especially credible source. If the creator wants it to be canon he or she needs to write a short story or poem or comic book or something.


Emily - Oct 22, 2007 10:22:51 am PDT #3135 of 3301
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

In what way? I mean--either it is or it isn't.

Yes. But which is it? Maybe I think it's canon because she wrote the book, and you don't think it's canon because it's not in the book. Perhaps I should have said "not clearly canon" or "not canon by definition but some might regard it that way."


Typo Boy - Oct 22, 2007 10:26:50 am PDT #3136 of 3301
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I think ita or someone actually gave an good example of why "not in the book" equals "not canon". Joss Whedon was famous for making comments and then later in the actual show contradicting what he said. (Of course that happened with stuff actually in the show as well...)


§ ita § - Oct 22, 2007 11:07:10 am PDT #3137 of 3301
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Joss can Joss himself, but he can Kripke himself also.

I probably look at it as a case by case thing. I'm totally down with Dumbledore being gay. But I'm also sure there've been things in articles about other 'verses that made me respond "No, you needed to say it!"


Susan W. - Oct 22, 2007 11:55:53 am PDT #3138 of 3301
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

In theater terms, I guess we'd say she's a little more Method -- she has a whole back story (apparently boxes and boxes of it) and gets into motivations etc.

That makes sense to me as a writer, because I know TONS about my characters that never makes it to the page because it's simply not central enough to the story. And I can totally picture myself someday, if I'm ever fortunate enough to get published and have some tiny, tiny fraction of Rowling's fame, sitting there in some Q&A saying things like, "Oh, the kid you meet in Book 4 isn't Jack's firstborn, because Sally was actually pregnant when she left him in Book 1, but it's OK because she married a nice man who's raising the girl as his own, and you're welcome to slash Jack and Arthur as long as you accept that they're basically straight and happy with the women I married them to, because I was fully aware of the slashy vibe and occasionally played it up for the amusement of one of my CPs, and Kitty married a nice Irish boy, and..."

And if I'm really, really lucky, I'll be popular enough that my admissions will generate online discussion in some small way.


Kate P. - Oct 22, 2007 1:35:21 pm PDT #3139 of 3301
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I always thought it would have been quite nice to have a random kid (or even one of the main kids) who was gay w/o a big deal being made of it. To have this Dumbledore thing after the fact just feels silly to me. Either go there or don't, you know? It would have been nice for gay kids to have someone to relate to in that way and what a coup for it to have been Dumbledore!

Yeah, this is my feeling as well. I didn't *need* for there to be a gay character to enjoy the books, but I did notice the absence of one and wished there had been one. So to find out that all along, she considered Dumbledore gay, but never said so in the books -- and I think it's pretty safe to say she would have revealed his feelings for Grindelwald, had one of them been female -- to me, that means she took the safe road by deliberately keeping any mention of homosexuality out of the books. Which is her prerogative, of course; I just reserve the right to be disappointed that this was how she handled it.