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Ouise - Aug 24, 2007 8:29:17 am PDT #2648 of 3301
Socks are a running theme throughout the series. They are used as symbols of freedom, redemption and love.

I just had no idea that learnt and learned were ever pronounced the same.

Uh, with some of the accents around here they are.

Indeed. I thoroughly confused someone recently because I pronounce Plato and playdough identically.


Aims - Aug 24, 2007 8:46:30 am PDT #2649 of 3301
Shit's all sorts of different now.

some British grammar rules are different. For example (and my horror at the time) the past tense of learn is learnt.

OMG. So funny. I've only ever seen ita use the word "learnt" and have always thought she was just being funny!

I r dum Merricun.


Sue - Aug 24, 2007 8:58:16 am PDT #2650 of 3301
hip deep in pie

I thoroughly confused someone recently because I pronounce Plato and playdough identically.

In my head, they sound different, but they come out the same.

I worked on a production of As you Like It in school where the acting coach tried to get the tech crew to stop pronouncing Duke as Dook, so the actors would not be influenced by our NA accents.


§ ita § - Aug 24, 2007 9:01:39 am PDT #2651 of 3301
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I assume that some people pronounce it with a "t" sound just because they've seen the -t spelling.

I pronounce it with a "t" because that's how it's pronounced. I mean, I know North Americans often conflate the "t" and the "d" sounds, but I didn't know it happened here.

I've only ever seen ita use the word "learnt" and have always thought she was just being funny!

Ha! I've gotten shit for "dreamt" before, which was a weird-assed argument.

Are there people pronouncing "dreamt" and "dreamed" the same too?


megan walker - Aug 24, 2007 9:04:22 am PDT #2652 of 3301
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

In my head, they sound different, but they come out the same.

Hah! This.

My new sister-in-law was going on about her young daughter's pret-ty shoes for the wedding and I thought she was just saying it that way because her daughter did. It took awhile for the "Oh, not everyone says it priddy" moment.


§ ita § - Aug 24, 2007 9:09:43 am PDT #2653 of 3301
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There's a couple movements in krav that I'd describe using the term "teeter totter" but I had to stop because everyone got so distracted by all the "t" sounds in it. So now I say "seesaw."

Weirdos.


Susan W. - Aug 24, 2007 9:11:01 am PDT #2654 of 3301
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Are there people pronouncing "dreamt" and "dreamed" the same too?

Not me. "Dreamed" has a long E sound, while "dreamt" is like "drimt." I don't pronounced "learned" and "learnt" the same, either, but they're much closer because the vowel is the same.

Incidentally, I'd never use "learnt" unless for some reason I was deliberately trying for English usage, but I use both "dreamed" and "dreamt" depending on context. "Dreamed" is more likely to be the literal--"I dreamed about Stephen Colbert last night," while "dreamt" is more my dream-come-true word--as in, I hope I'll someday say, "I dreamt of publication for years, and now I've finally sold a book."

It could be that I'm alone in this, though.


Sue - Aug 24, 2007 9:15:08 am PDT #2655 of 3301
hip deep in pie

There's a couple movements in krav that I'd describe using the term "teeter totter" but I had to stop because everyone got so distracted by all the "t" sounds in it. So now I say "seesaw."

I worked with this guy Torquil who is A) from an English family, B) A trained actor, and who now is in the band Stars. Whenever I listen to their music I am always struck by all his clearly annunciated Ts.


megan walker - Aug 24, 2007 9:15:27 am PDT #2656 of 3301
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

It could be that I'm alone in this, though.

No, you are not.

Fowler:
"For the pa.t. and pa.pple both dream and dreamed are used; dreamed is usually pronounced [/dreemed/] and dreamt /dremt/. Dreamed, esp. as a pa.t. form, tends to be used for emphasis and poetry. No decisive evidence has been established about the distribution of the two forms, but dreamt appears to be somewhat more common in BrE than in AmE."


Susan W. - Aug 24, 2007 9:19:36 am PDT #2657 of 3301
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Actually, it sounds like I'm using it the opposite way--"dreamed" is my literal word, "dreamt" is when I'm being more poetic.