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The Buffista Book Club: the Harry Potter iteration  

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Vortex - Aug 02, 2007 5:12:28 pm PDT #2221 of 3301
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I don't know where this concept that the word "miscegenation" was in itself offensive came from. It simply refers to the intimate involvement (marrying, dating, having children with, etc) of two people of different races. I mean, I'm not saying that the person wasn't offended, but I don't see it.


Laga - Aug 02, 2007 5:18:59 pm PDT #2222 of 3301
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I didn't know miscegenation was often considered offensive when I was censured for using it not too long ago. I found a lot of usueful information on the wikipedia page.


beth b - Aug 02, 2007 5:45:15 pm PDT #2223 of 3301
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

there were ( and may still be ) laws against miscegenation. which changes it from a descriptive term to a negative. I never heard it used in a neutral or positive way.


Kate P. - Aug 02, 2007 5:56:53 pm PDT #2224 of 3301
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Like beth, I've only ever heard the word used in a negative & offensive way, in the context of laws or social taboos against interracial marriages. Furthermore, I've only heard it applied to situations in which one of the partners is white. The term carries a strong connotation that the white person in the relationship is degrading him- or herself by mixing with a person of color. It may not have the same connotations in different countries & languages, but its history in the U.S. is pretty gross.


Vortex - Aug 02, 2007 6:25:57 pm PDT #2225 of 3301
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

there were ( and may still be ) laws against miscegenation.

not in the United States. Loving v. Virginia overturned them.


Matt M. - Aug 02, 2007 6:37:14 pm PDT #2226 of 3301
"I'm finished being everyone's butt-monkey."

Hil R. - Aug 02, 2007 6:38:47 pm PDT #2227 of 3301
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

My history teacher in tenth grade told us that it meant slave owners having sex with their female slaves. And that was what I assumed it meant until, when I was reviewing for the US History AP exam with my dad, I said something like "And there should have been a law against miscegenation" and he gave me a very odd look. Then I told him where I'd learned the word, and he told me to go look it up in a dictionary.

(OK, this really has nothing to do with anything.)


Matt M. - Aug 02, 2007 6:39:26 pm PDT #2228 of 3301
"I'm finished being everyone's butt-monkey."

Alrighty. I'm kinda new.

...

What exactly is 'racewanking'?


Fay - Aug 02, 2007 7:37:09 pm PDT #2229 of 3301
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

In the movies, when Cho Chang speaks, does it throw in a disconnect?

Nope. But I totally get that YMMV.

wrt the international cover art, I actually liked the French artwork you linked to more than either the UK or the US cover art. Presently, though, I've got editions of all the books with the adult covers, which I like much more than the UK or the US 'proper' covers. (Which surprised me, because previously I'd really pooh-poohed the whole notion of having adult covers, thinking of it as a sort of brown paper wrapper to hide the shame of kidlit. Only then I saw them on the shelf and my first thought was "Pretty!" So I did a bit of a 180 on that one.)

Hey there, Matt!

"racewanking" isn't really a usual term per se, but 'wanking' is frequently used (and forgive me if any of the following is patronising - I'm going to assume that this is an aspect of fandom you're not familiar with) to refer to lengthy, heated debates about fannish things, usually spanning myriad different journals/sites. Check out the infamous 'fandom wank' site for examples of this, including the recent Harry Potter fandom kerfuffle about race:fandomwank

wrt said racewank - I've got to admit, I'd never heard the term 'miscegenation' in my life before I read Witchqueen's post.


Theodosia - Aug 03, 2007 1:57:53 am PDT #2230 of 3301
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Damn it, y'all got me reading the Teddy Lupin series. Which is actually kind of good....