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The Buffista Book Club: the Harry Potter iteration  

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By consensus, this thread is reopened specifically to discuss Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. It will be closed again once that discussion has run its course.

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Kate P. - Aug 02, 2007 5:56:53 pm PDT #2224 of 3301
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Like beth, I've only ever heard the word used in a negative & offensive way, in the context of laws or social taboos against interracial marriages. Furthermore, I've only heard it applied to situations in which one of the partners is white. The term carries a strong connotation that the white person in the relationship is degrading him- or herself by mixing with a person of color. It may not have the same connotations in different countries & languages, but its history in the U.S. is pretty gross.


Vortex - Aug 02, 2007 6:25:57 pm PDT #2225 of 3301
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

there were ( and may still be ) laws against miscegenation.

not in the United States. Loving v. Virginia overturned them.


Matt M. - Aug 02, 2007 6:37:14 pm PDT #2226 of 3301
"I'm finished being everyone's butt-monkey."

Hil R. - Aug 02, 2007 6:38:47 pm PDT #2227 of 3301
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

My history teacher in tenth grade told us that it meant slave owners having sex with their female slaves. And that was what I assumed it meant until, when I was reviewing for the US History AP exam with my dad, I said something like "And there should have been a law against miscegenation" and he gave me a very odd look. Then I told him where I'd learned the word, and he told me to go look it up in a dictionary.

(OK, this really has nothing to do with anything.)


Matt M. - Aug 02, 2007 6:39:26 pm PDT #2228 of 3301
"I'm finished being everyone's butt-monkey."

Alrighty. I'm kinda new.

...

What exactly is 'racewanking'?


Fay - Aug 02, 2007 7:37:09 pm PDT #2229 of 3301
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

In the movies, when Cho Chang speaks, does it throw in a disconnect?

Nope. But I totally get that YMMV.

wrt the international cover art, I actually liked the French artwork you linked to more than either the UK or the US cover art. Presently, though, I've got editions of all the books with the adult covers, which I like much more than the UK or the US 'proper' covers. (Which surprised me, because previously I'd really pooh-poohed the whole notion of having adult covers, thinking of it as a sort of brown paper wrapper to hide the shame of kidlit. Only then I saw them on the shelf and my first thought was "Pretty!" So I did a bit of a 180 on that one.)

Hey there, Matt!

"racewanking" isn't really a usual term per se, but 'wanking' is frequently used (and forgive me if any of the following is patronising - I'm going to assume that this is an aspect of fandom you're not familiar with) to refer to lengthy, heated debates about fannish things, usually spanning myriad different journals/sites. Check out the infamous 'fandom wank' site for examples of this, including the recent Harry Potter fandom kerfuffle about race:fandomwank

wrt said racewank - I've got to admit, I'd never heard the term 'miscegenation' in my life before I read Witchqueen's post.


Theodosia - Aug 03, 2007 1:57:53 am PDT #2230 of 3301
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Damn it, y'all got me reading the Teddy Lupin series. Which is actually kind of good....


JZ - Aug 03, 2007 4:36:24 am PDT #2231 of 3301
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

wrt said racewank - I've got to admit, I'd never heard the term 'miscegenation' in my life before I read Witchqueen's post.

Well, it's a specifically American word -- sounds all Latinate and everything, but it's actually a neologism coined in 1863 by a Democrat* out to smear the Republican Party** by implying that the entire Civil War was all about the Republicans' sooper seekrit white-race-tainting agenda.

If some weaselly creep hadn't been horrified at the prospect of the abolition of slavery and the legal personhood and autonomy of black people, the word wouldn't exist. And since England disentangled itself from slavery a bit before the US, without our spectacular degree of bloodshed and general fucked-upedness, there's no reason why you should have heard of it.

It's actually kind of reassuring to know that this asshole word hasn't really migrated past our shores.

*1863 Democrat=modern day racist extremist
**1863 Republican=modern day Democrat. Isn't political history fun?


Aims - Aug 03, 2007 4:38:57 am PDT #2232 of 3301
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I have a really stupid question. I mean *really* stupid.

Is the n-word used in places other than the US in the same way?


Frankenbuddha - Aug 03, 2007 4:49:05 am PDT #2233 of 3301
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Is the n-word used in places other than the US in the same way?

That one I think was a carry over from the UK, sadly. It may not have carried all of the negative connotations it does here, however.

At least, that's what I've always assumed since the original title of Agatha Christie's ...And Then There Were None aka Ten Little Indians was Ten Little N*****s, and that was written in the '30s (or early '40s).