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The Buffista Book Club: the Harry Potter iteration  

This thread is a focused discussion group. Please see the first post below for the current topic and upcoming book discussions. While natter will inevitably happen, we encourage you to treat this like a virtual book club and try to keep your posts in that spirit.

By consensus, this thread is reopened specifically to discuss Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. It will be closed again once that discussion has run its course.

***SPOILER ALERT***

  • **Spoilers for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows lie here. Read at your own risk***


Fred Pete - Jul 14, 2004 9:10:16 am PDT #168 of 3301
Ann, that's a ferret.

Brainpower is on low today.

Me too. I think there's something going around.

This wouldn't affect Hayden, but DC seems awfully humid for summer.

And to get back to topic --

Theodore Dreiser, An American Tragedy. Very long (my copy is about 875 pages), but a relatively fast read. Young man on the make gets job at factory owned by wealthy uncle, dates fellow employee with tragic results.

And I'm not sure how available it is these days, and it's very, very long (well over 1000 pages) -- ...And Ladies of the Club by Helen Hooven Santmyer. A big bestseller in the mid-'80s (and a bit of a cause celebre, because the author was also in her 80s -- at least -- and it was the first novel she'd published in over 50 years). A group of young women in a small town in Ohio in 1868 form a "women's club" to pursue intellectual endeavors. The novel follows the life of the town -- emphasizing the club members and their families -- from 1868 to 1932. Won't endorse the author's politics (economic laissez faire), but a fascinating study of a small Midwest town during a certain era.


joe boucher - Jul 14, 2004 9:58:19 am PDT #169 of 3301
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine

Hayden, here's Ron Rosenbaum on Pale Fire (and Rosenbaum on "shoplift lit").

Even though I probably won't participate in the book club very often, being rather lazy and all, I'll throw out a selection suggestion. What about a combination of a designated selector and a vote? Which is to say, the month's "leader" would be selected randomly (& without repeat until everyone who wants to has a shot) and then s/he would suggest 3 or 4 books, or more if s/he wants to, which would then be voted on. Leader gets some say but it's not a complete imposition of will. It would have to be decided whether the voting would be straight (sheer number of votes) or weighted (rank your choices from first to last, total points takes it, with first place votes as a tiebreaker.)


Hayden - Jul 14, 2004 11:25:16 am PDT #170 of 3301
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

This wouldn't affect Hayden, but DC seems awfully humid for summer.

It's either mold or lack of sleep or extra-boring workload or any combination thereof.

From Joe's link

Before venturing further into the depths and delights of Pale Fire theories, I want to pause here for the benefit of those who have not yet tasted the pleasures of Pale Fire. Pause to emphasize just how much pure reading pleasure it offers despite its apparently unconventional form. Following a brief foreword, the novel opens with a 999-line poem in rhymed heroic couplets formally reminiscent of Alexander Pope, but written in accessible American colloquial language at least on the surface. Please don’t be intimidated by the poem’s length or formality; it’s a pleasure to read: sad, funny, thoughtful, digressive, discursive, filled with heart-stopping moments of tenderness and beauty.

Following the poem (entitled "Pale Fire") which is identified in the foreword as the last work of John Shade, a fictional Frost-like American poet, another voice takes over: the commentator Charles Kinbote. A delightful, deluded, more than a bit demented voice whose 200 pages of commentary and annotations on the poem constitute the remainder of the novel. Kinbote’s voice is completely mad–he is the ultimate unreliable narrator, the mad scholar colonizing the poem with his own baroque delusion–but also completely irresistible. Kinbote weaves into his footnoted annotations on the poem the story of his own relationship with the poet, John Shade. How he befriended him during the last months of his life while Shade was composing "Pale Fire." How he’d disclosed to Shade, a colleague at the college where they both taught literature, the fantastic story of his (Kinbote’s) supposed secret identity: that he was not really Charles Kinbote, but rather the exiled King of Zembla, a "northern land" where he once ruled as Charles the Beloved until he was deposed by evil revolutionaries from whom he fled into exile. Revolutionaries who sent an assassin to hunt him down, an assassin whose bullet, meant for Kinbote, mistakenly killed John Shade instead.

And now, having absconded with the dead poet’s manuscript of "Pale Fire," holed up in a cheap motel in the mountains, Kinbote attempts to demonstrate with his commentary that Shade’s last masterpiece is really about him, about Kinbote, about his own tragic and romantic life as King of Zembla, his flight and exile. All this despite the fact that, on the surface, neither Kinbote nor Zembla appears anywhere in "Pale Fire," despite the fact that the poem seems on the surface to be John Shade’s attempt to come to terms with his own tragedy, the suicide of his beloved daughter Hazel Shade–and his efforts to explore the possibility of contacting her in the Afterlife, across the border between life and death which has exiled her from him.

As I said, it only seems complicated and cerebral. In fact, reading Pale Fire, both novel and poem, is an almost obscenely sensual pleasure. I guarantee it.


Typo Boy - Jul 14, 2004 11:46:40 am PDT #171 of 3301
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

The Loved One by Evelyn Waugh Possibly the most viciously funny book novel ever written.

In Hollywood, at Whispering Glades, a full-service funeral home for departed greats, the mononymonous Mr. Joyboy and Aimee Thanatogenos fall in love...with each other and their work. He is chief embalmer, she a crematorium cosmetician. They spend their days contentedly prepping the loved ones for a final appearance.

Into this idyllic scene comes Denis Barlow, aspiring poet and funerary colleague. But Denis is downscale, his employer the Happier Hunting Ground, a pet cemetery. Denis looks to Aimee for professional reconstruction, falls in love with her instead, and sets up a triangle that is literally more than Aimee can bear.


-t - Jul 14, 2004 12:03:44 pm PDT #172 of 3301
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

So, are we calling the recommendation giiving over or extending it through this evening? We have 45 recommendations so far.


Connie Neil - Jul 14, 2004 12:24:46 pm PDT #173 of 3301
brillig

I'm for calling it. That's a lot to go on.


Daisy Jane - Jul 14, 2004 12:29:54 pm PDT #174 of 3301
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Cool, call it


-t - Jul 14, 2004 12:42:09 pm PDT #175 of 3301
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Okay, I'll post the full list in a few minutes.


Wolfram - Jul 14, 2004 1:10:24 pm PDT #176 of 3301
Visilurking

45? How are we ever going to whittle that down?


Daisy Jane - Jul 14, 2004 1:31:48 pm PDT #177 of 3301
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

perhaps -t could list the suggesters and that could be whittled?