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Gris - Mar 06, 2005 12:56:22 pm PST #9699 of 10001
Hey. New board.

When casting big-name actors for Broadway musical adaptations, you can't really hope for Broadway-quality voices most of the time, sadly. However, there are better choices and worse choices: I thought Ewan MacGregor and Nicole Kidman both had perfectly decent voices in Moulin Rouge (not that the parts were extremely vocally demanding), for example, while, on the other hand, Richard Gere was so the opposite, vocally, of the crooner Billy Flynn (Chicago) is supposed to be that his solo caused the broadway musical freak in me physical pain. He did ace the acting parts of the role, though, and everybody else was decent, so that one caused me few complaints.

Based solely on the trailer, it looks like the cast of Phantom of the Opera was chosen for some completely unfathomable reason that has nothing to do with singing talent (the last note of "Music of the Night" in that trailer truly screeches painfully through my head. I do it better than he does there. And the sad thing is, they had infinite chances to make it not suck, and it still sucked!) OR huge Hollywood names. But that's another complaint for another time (and after I see the movie, maybe I'll change my mind. But I doubt it.)

The only real question I have for a Sondheim movie is this: will they actually let Sondheim be involved? After all, he's very much alive. I hold out hope that he won't allow a movie to be made without him getting input on the cast and direction.

EDIT: On the other hand, an adaptation of the play Sweeney Todd, the one without singing (many people don't know about it), would almost certainly be awesome with those two actors. Though if the rumor actually mentioned Sondheim, then that's clearly right out.


Betsy HP - Mar 06, 2005 12:58:21 pm PST #9700 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

chosen for some completely unfathomable reason that has nothing to do with singing talent

They wanted a young, pretty Christine. Then they cast her and decided they had to have young, pretty actors, or else it would look cradle-robby. Thus all the young, pretty, voiceless stars. (Raoul was actually pretty good.)


Jessica - Mar 06, 2005 3:15:58 pm PST #9701 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

Then they cast her and decided they had to have young, pretty actors, or else it would look cradle-robby.

Right, because that kind of squick would have totally contradicted the source text.

t head explodes for the umpteenth time


Gris - Mar 06, 2005 5:28:33 pm PST #9702 of 10001
Hey. New board.

Well, to be fair, the source text wasn't the novel, it was the original musical. And it did a pretty good job contradicting the novel all by itself. (shrug). Still, there really are young pretty people out there with pretty good tenor voices, if not many truly operatic ones. They could have used one of those.

A pretty Phantom is silly by either source text, of course, but this movie was never going to be a horror film. Sadly. And you can't really see whether the phantom is truly ugly when you're watching the play, usually.

Now I want to go watch the silent Phantom again...


Jessica - Mar 06, 2005 5:30:53 pm PST #9703 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

Well, to be fair, the source text wasn't the novel, it was the original musical.

In which the Phantom is still old and creepy.


DebetEsse - Mar 06, 2005 6:41:28 pm PST #9704 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

The Phantom isn't supposed to be pretty. His voice is. See, it's the whole thematic thing. Raoul's pretty (we don't much care about his voice.), but Phantom's voice should make one weak at the knees.

Nova, about Richard Gere, my gold standard for being impressed with singing and dancing by actors is "could I do better?". So, I came away unimpressed by either his singing (even more so since, having now heard Jerry Orbach do it.), or his dancing (which lots of people were very impressed with)

I fear for any Sondheim on screen. I've seen a number of movies taken from plays where the script is pretty well lifted, and the patterns are too stagey (imo) for film. Sondheim is that, with music, to the nth. Not that I don't hope it does really well. I'm just...very wary.


Gris - Mar 07, 2005 12:51:21 am PST #9705 of 10001
Hey. New board.

Yeah, and with there already being a DVD release of the actual original cast, I'm not sure it needs a film translation. Sondheim is so... theater.

Worried about Rent for much the same reason. Not sure I believe that it will translate to any larger a set.


DebetEsse - Mar 07, 2005 1:07:15 am PST #9706 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Rent, I can see working, though I'm not as wildly in love with that show as a lot of people are. I do worry about the age of the original cast, though.


§ ita § - Mar 07, 2005 4:13:00 am PST #9707 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Imagine the movies:

Actress Hilary Swank has Sandra Bullock and Ashley Judd to thank for her Best Actress Oscar for Million Dollar Baby - because the role was refused by both actresses. The movie's producer Albert S. Ruddy's first choice for the part of a tragic female boxer was Bullock, who turned down the part when she was told she could not pick the director - Ruddy next approached Judd, whose salary demands would have busted the budget. After Ruddy finally settled on Swank, Bullock's agent called him and said she would do the picture after all, but, "Al just said, 'Too late,'" a source told website Pagesix.Com.


Frankenbuddha - Mar 07, 2005 4:17:23 am PST #9708 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

The problem with him directing Wicker Man is that I've seen what his conception of feminism is, and my skin is crawling just trying to imagine what his concept of paganism is.

(Sorry, didn't mean to ask a question and disappear.)

OK, that I can totally see. Leaving aside LaBute himself, a mormon take on paganism would be...I daren't hazard a guess, actually.

Yeah, such was my blink. Mostly. I suspect we'd end up with more of a growling Sweeney than a singing one.

Didn't he do ROCKY HORROR in Autstralia for a while (like, a long while)? Granted, that's also rock rather than Sondheim, but he may have done more musical theater than that.