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Dear heavens. I fear that I am related to some Cherohonkees.

Bwhahahaha!

I played v:tm because it was the only rpg we ever saw the ladies buying. Oddly enough, this did not help a whole lot when I was 12/13.

Mostly we used it to take out our anger on policemen - we'll show them for making us leave move along! We'll kill every cop in imaginary Chicago!

I played V:tM a little bit because it was pretty innovative to people who were only experienced with D&D and Shadowrun. A friend of ours got introduced to it in college and started running a game when he came home for the summer. The White Wolf game the ended up truly hooking me, though, was Mage. V:tM more or less got dropped by our group once it came out. That and most of the other V:tM players we ran into were rather pretentious, so it kind of soured the game for us.

What's amusing to me about Kindred: the Embraced, though, is for all their dry exposition involving stuff from the game, they also changed a lot of the stuff from the game for no apparent reason. (Well, the reason for the addition of vampires having sex was pretty obvious, if not artistic.)

I was irritated by the changes in kindred: the embraced, until I realized the show was not very good, and if I complained to anyone they would know I watched it.

Which is something I learned complaining about movies, making this the closest to on topic I have ever been.

Well I survived K:TE intact.

Warmed to it slightly by the end. Then tried to remember where I'd seen Mark Frankel before and wondered why I hadn't seen his gorgeousness since.

Imdbed and discovered that he is dead. Car accident. Kind of made my heart go clunk.

I'm at that age where people I admire are turning out to be younger than me and dead. Weird feeling. Who would have thought that 45 was old? Scratch that. I remember when I thought 45 was old. t /codgering

My memory is tickled by something I can't quite remember...maybe it was a miniseries very similar to Kindred...earlier, maybe 80s. Cop vampire (not Forever Knight) or other. I imdb Masquerade but I can't find it. Did I dream it?

I was irritated by the changes in kindred: the embraced, until I realized the show was not very good, and if I complained to anyone they would know I watched it.

t snerk I actually had a friend who loved the show (we worry about her sometimes. She also thought Twister was the best movie ever the summer it came out. I love her dearly but I will never understand her taste in entertainment) and was incredibly disappointed when she actually tried to play the game that it didn't work like the show.

I was irritated by the changes in kindred: the embraced,

Some of the more crazy dedicated V:tM live-action players I knew developed a drinking game around those changes. Something happened on the show that wouldn't be allowed/work in the game? Drink!

Mark Frankel was Sela Ward's character's love interest in Sisters before she met Falconer, played by an immediately pre-ER George Clooney.

And, um, I went through a period as a Cherohonkee. The operative words there being went, past tense, and through, out the other side. Thankfully, today I am fringe-free.

Except Cheadle is American.

Your point? The *character* has to be British, but the actor playing him doesn't.

My point is, America is forever foisting its own people and its own values on other countries. Sure, the actor portraying Bond doesn't have to be British but that's just a slap in the face of British actors b/c you're essentially saying there are none worthy or capable of playing the character. Just like you slapped English actresses in the face by casting Zellwegger in the role of Bridget Jones.

Do you guys have to steal everything from other countries?

Again, I ask: your point?

Have a think about how many American movies or TV shows (reality TV being totally ignored) have been remade by Australia, or England, or France, or Germany, or The Netherlands. Then compare that to the number of foreign movies and TV shows that have been remade as American movies or TV shows (and usually considerably below par to the original).

Likewise, have a look at your local paper and tell us how many cinemas are playing (for example) Australian movies. How many of your free-to-air stations are playing Australian TV shows at any time of the day or night, let alone primetime? I'll lay down good money that the answer is between zero and two. Now have a look at [link] and check out a typical week of Aussie TV--bearing in mind that a lot of the US shows are forced on our stations by deals that require them to buy packages of shows just to get one particular title.

So my point is, "James Bond" is quintissentially British. There are many, many excellent British actors available. Let them have a chance and let's not try and change the character created by Ian Fleming 50 years ago.

FTR...I'm not having a go specifically at Steph or anyone else but I'm not going to apologise for seeming to be be irrational or hyberbolic or whatever, about this. Personally, I couldn't give a shit about James Bond but this topic just happened to press the wrong button.