Riley: Oh, yeah. Sorry 'bout last time. Heard I missed out on some fun. Xander: Oh yeah, fun was had. Also frolic, merriment and near-death hijinks.

'Never Leave Me'


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Frankenbuddha - Dec 02, 2004 8:03:58 am PST #6563 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

The rest of the movie was complete and utter shit.

I do have to give a few points for using Crispin Glover as Andy Warhol, but, yeah, pretty much a mess.

Someone compared Oliver Stone to Harlan Ellison in that (and I'm paraphrasing) their normal tone of voice is shouting at the top of their lungs. It CAN be effective (I love TALK RADIO, but as was already said, that's more due to Eric Boogosian, ANY GIVEN SUNDAY, and the parts of SALVADOR that concentrated on James Woods rather than trying to fit every piece of Salvadorian atrocity into his story) but usually it just makes me throw up my hands and say "you must chill!".


Betsy HP - Dec 02, 2004 8:08:02 am PST #6564 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

How do you indicate that you don't share the POV, as a writer/director?

I think The Talented Mr. Ripley walks back and forth over that line.


Kate P. - Dec 02, 2004 8:19:46 am PST #6565 of 10001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I always used to get Oliver Stone confused with Ollie North.

This cracks me right up.

Heh. I remember somehow hearing about them both around the same time, and being very confused when I tried to figure out why the director of The Doors was involved with the Iran-Contra scandal.


alienprayer - Dec 02, 2004 9:12:05 am PST #6566 of 10001
Conservative, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. -Bierce

Natural Born Killers is the only reason I have for liking Stone at all, and it is not the actual movie I like. There is a bit in one of the deluxe edition special documentary things where he mentions what he had to cut to go from NC17 to R.

All it took was 30 seconds off the prison riot montage set to the Ministry song, and not a bit of the explicit gore in the rest of the film.

It shaped my whole understanding of censorship to have proof that it is all really about the discomfort of censor, and in no way about any specific standard of any kind.


tommyrot - Dec 02, 2004 9:15:26 am PST #6567 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I think it was Henry, Portrait of a Serial Killer that got the dreaded NC-17 rating because of "disturbing moral tone." Not for anything specific, like violence or sex or whatever - it was the movie as a whole that the censor didn't like.


Gandalfe - Dec 02, 2004 9:59:42 am PST #6568 of 10001
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

Orgazmo is the best example of stupid NC-17.


Kathy A - Dec 02, 2004 10:10:58 am PST #6569 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

And, on the opposite end of the spectrum, I'll just geek out quietly over the fact that, on the 14th, not only am I going to be buying the RotKEE, but also the 40th anniversary Special Edition of Mary Poppins!! It made me happy to see that listed on the Amazon upcoming releases.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 02, 2004 10:15:53 am PST #6570 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Ah, the movie my Mom would gladly burn all prints of (and mindwipe the public of its memory, if that were possible)...


Kathy A - Dec 02, 2004 10:17:12 am PST #6571 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Why? Was she a book purist (I know a few of those that couldn't stand the film), or a detester of the bad Cockney accent of DVD's?


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 02, 2004 10:33:14 am PST #6572 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

She hates fantastic/dreamlike musicals in general, due to some unknown button they push. (We never watched The Wizard of Oz when I was growing up, either.) But Mary Poppins is her brightest burning hate, from among the whole genre. I don't think she'd spit on Dick van Dyke if he were burning to death in front of her.