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Betsy HP - Sep 06, 2004 5:38:23 pm PDT #3644 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Can you make a wuxia movie with a happy ending?


§ ita § - Sep 06, 2004 5:42:13 pm PDT #3645 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think there seems to be a requisite nobility and sacrifice that lends itself to that sort of ending. But a movie like Wing Chun is wuxia, and a pretty happy wrapup.

For me, Hero went past that sort of expectations of the genre into the same sort of place as Amistad, or The Last Mohican, or Schindler's List -- where lots of real people really died. If it had been a little less lyrically beautiful, I might have cried for what of history it made me remember clearly.


Betsy HP - Sep 06, 2004 6:31:39 pm PDT #3646 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I was pretty confident early on they weren't going to successfully kill the Emperor. It wouldn't have matched the arc of the story. But I STILL think that Falling Snow died ignobly, if beautifully photographed. As the Emperor said way back, they're greater-souled than that. I would have been happier if the final quarrel wasn't framed as Snow's being obviously wrong.


§ ita § - Sep 06, 2004 6:35:16 pm PDT #3647 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I disagree with the framing of the final fight scene. I think that the movie could have pushed the "our land" harder. I'm glad it didn't, because any harder I couldn't have liked it. I was convinced that Nameless and Broken Sword believed deeply in their way, but I didn't find as much textual condemnation of Falling Snow as I'd expected. She never changed her mind -- I didn't think the suicide of the earlier POV was ignoble -- why this one?


Betsy HP - Sep 06, 2004 6:41:08 pm PDT #3648 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Sorry, I wasn't thinking clearly. The suicide was exquisite. Her killing him was just dumb. Dumb dumb dumb. The suicide was like Juliet stabbing herself on Romeo's corpse -- once you get to that point, it's the only thing to do, but why did you put yourself in that position, you stupid #WQ$@#$@#s?


§ ita § - Sep 06, 2004 6:46:02 pm PDT #3649 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

He had to die because he couldn't win the fight. She had to fight because it was one of those honour things -- again, that behaviour was established as kinda SOP too. She knew she was fighting a losing battle, but she expected to be the one that lost. It was basically a suicide, but she couldn't get her revenge with him alive, and she had to try.


Betsy HP - Sep 06, 2004 6:54:33 pm PDT #3650 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Then why did he say maybe NOW you'll believe I loved you? Passive-aggressive, wuxia-boy!


Betsy HP - Sep 06, 2004 6:55:53 pm PDT #3651 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

If he was that much better (and he was supposed to be), he could have disarmed her. Or did the sword-breaking sword belong to somebody else? Must watch movie again to confirm.

Now I am off to bed with a frozen kirsch. It had damned well better not be this hot tomorrow.


§ ita § - Sep 06, 2004 6:59:22 pm PDT #3652 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The sword breaking sword belonged to Nameless. Disarming her, and then what? She was fighting to the death, probably as many times as it took.


Burrell - Sep 06, 2004 7:42:34 pm PDT #3653 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I think I should rent Predator. That movie has two governors in it.

The Daily Show had a riff on this. The punch line was something like, "so now we'd like to introduce Senator Predator."