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§ ita § - Aug 09, 2004 11:23:20 am PDT #2596 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

there had to be more (or at least something slightly interesting) he could have said about this movie.

But I think articles about careers are interesting.


Maysa - Aug 09, 2004 11:35:00 am PDT #2597 of 10001

But I think articles about careers are interesting.

It didn't really seem to be about his career, though, just how his career wasn't like other actor's. Actually, though, I think I've just been going through a weird period where almost everything about the media bugs me and it's more my own bizarre issue than anything else. A few months ago, this type of article wouldn't have bothered me at all.


§ ita § - Aug 09, 2004 11:41:22 am PDT #2598 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Since I've been thinking about careers and categories (why I don't know), I'm curious about the opinions of people with more immersion in the industry than I have.

I want to abstract everything out and model it, even knowing it won't fit, and I'd suspect anyone who claimed to have done so successfully.


Maysa - Aug 09, 2004 11:45:08 am PDT #2599 of 10001

I want to abstract everything out and model it, even knowing it won't fit, and I'd suspect anyone who claimed to have done so successfully.

Do you mean you want to catagorize everyone who'd fit the action star profile, the screwball heroine, etc?


§ ita § - Aug 09, 2004 11:47:59 am PDT #2600 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Do you mean you want to catagorize everyone who'd fit the action star profile, the screwball heroine, etc?

No, not so much. More like identifying who is iconic, and why, and how the things to be iconic in change with the times, and how and why other people avoid the same pedestal/trap.

Denzel is obviously more iconic than I'd thought, although he still gets rewarded for dancing outside the lines -- unlike a Meg Ryan who gets forgotten or crap box office when she tries it.


Hayden - Aug 09, 2004 11:49:26 am PDT #2601 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

You shouldn't get that worked up over a Charles Taylor piece, Maysa. I think he's Salon's best movie reviewer by a long shot, but he often has these weirdo tangential potshot pieces like that. And his overly boomer-centric worldview occasionally blinds him. I guess I'm trying to say: decent writer who will leave you scratching your head once a month.

But he's still better than Andrew "Boringly Enthusiastic" O'Hehir or Stephanie "It's All Good" Zacharek. Well, at least to me.


kat perez - Aug 09, 2004 11:54:29 am PDT #2602 of 10001
"We have trust issues." Mylar

See, I wondered about Denzel in the EW article. I don't think he's a global box office draw along the lines of Tom Hanks or Julia Roberts or Tom Cruise. In Chile at least, I doubt that anyone has seen more than a handful of his movies. I think his biggest hit there might have been The Bone Collector and even that was equal parts him, Angelina Jolie, and the creepy Seven/Silence of the Lambs vibe. I know that Denzel is iconic here in the US. In the rest of the world, I'm not so sure.

And, while I didn't really agree with any of the comparisons they made between the older generation of Hollywood stars and their possible young Hollywood replacements, I got the Denzel = Matt Damon much more than the Tom Hanks = Mos Def. Mos Def doesn't give me a Hanks vibe at all.


Kathy A - Aug 09, 2004 11:57:28 am PDT #2603 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Ummm, who's Mos Def?


§ ita § - Aug 09, 2004 11:57:45 am PDT #2604 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Mos Def doesn't give me a Hanks vibe at all.

Well, I completely fail to get the Damon/Denzel (well, they both have penises -- it's somewhere to start) I can see Mos Def having a similar early career to Hanks. God prevent him from the late one.


Maysa - Aug 09, 2004 11:59:02 am PDT #2605 of 10001

No, not so much. More like identifying who is iconic, and why, and how the things to be iconic in change with the times, and how and why other people avoid the same pedestal/trap.

That sounds really interesting. I've often wondered why certain talented people are forgotten about.

But he's still better than Andrew "Boringly Enthusiastic" O'Hehir or Stephanie "It's All Good" Zacharek. Well, at least to me.

I actually enjoy Stephanie Zacharek because even when I don't agree with her, I enjoy her passion for things. She and Scott Tobias at the Onion are the only critics that I read both for the opinion and for the actual review itself.