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'Beneath You'


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§ ita § - Aug 01, 2004 6:35:23 pm PDT #1868 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Julia Stiles is the worst spy ever.

She's not a spy, is she?


alienprayer - Aug 01, 2004 6:37:26 pm PDT #1869 of 10001
Conservative, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. -Bierce

Oddly enough, Polanski's wife is Lucifer. I was shocked myself.

I was under the impression that her reasons for helping/manipulating Corso were similar to those of God in Dogma. If naughty man ascends, or whatever, she screws up the divine order.

The second half of the film is nearly all Roman's work, and I hate him for it. He used up the last of my Chinatown esteem on this movie.


Nutty - Aug 01, 2004 6:58:02 pm PDT #1870 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

She's not a spy, is she?

A spy-helper. Whatever -- if you work with doctors, you learn not to be shocked at the paperwork or at stethoscopes lying around; if she works with spies, why is she so ignorant of how they work? For that matter, I can't think of a reason why she would be so ignorant of Bourne -- they were posted to the same city for, one presumes, a couple of years. Surely they had to have met or just looked significantly at each other across a large plaza at least once?

Minor point. She certainly doesn't fit comfortably in the world the rest of the characters created.


Volans - Aug 01, 2004 7:01:46 pm PDT #1871 of 10001
move out and draw fire

if she works with spies, why is she so ignorant of how they work?

Seems reasonably realistic, based on the news out of the FBI and CIA recently.


Polter-Cow - Aug 01, 2004 7:03:14 pm PDT #1872 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

He used up the last of my Chinatown esteem on this movie.

Did he get any back with The Pianist ?


§ ita § - Aug 01, 2004 7:04:31 pm PDT #1873 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What ignorance of Bourne do you mean? Wasn't she brought in as someone who knew more about him?


Nutty - Aug 01, 2004 7:08:10 pm PDT #1874 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I think yes, but all things considered, she knew nothing about him. Like, she seemed ignorant of the stuff that Brian Cox and Joan Allen already knew. If she had never heard of Bourne in her life before the night he invaded her office in the first movie, she couldn't have been more ignorant of him. But, if she'd actually been his handler/contact for three years before that, how can she be so ignorant of him?

Minor detail, in the scheme of things. Really, no more significant than the funny-wrong accents of every character who speaks a foreign language.


alienprayer - Aug 01, 2004 7:18:47 pm PDT #1875 of 10001
Conservative, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. -Bierce

Not really, Polter-Cow. For some reason I want to put a u in your name. Huh.

The Pianist felt like paint by numbers, with one great performance and a few good supporting. Don't know if this is heresy around here, but the film frustrated more than it moved me.


§ ita § - Aug 01, 2004 7:20:49 pm PDT #1876 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But she was telling them stuff to help predict his behaviour and suggest his motivation, wasn't she? Cox did know more, but that was the point. What did Allen know that she didn't?


Polter-Cow - Aug 01, 2004 7:22:10 pm PDT #1877 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Not really, Polter-Cow. For some reason I want to put a u in your name. Huh.

You're not the only one.

The Pianist felt like paint by numbers, with one great performance and a few good supporting. Don't know if this is heresy around here, but the film frustrated more than it moved me.

I don't know that it moved me. I don't know that it could move. It wasn't trying, was the thing. It was so objective. It was just like, "Here. Here's the story. Do with it what you will." And I don't normally see that.