We killed a homeless man on this bench. Me and Dru. Those were good times. You know, he begged for mercy, and you know, that only made her bite harder.

Spike ,'Sleeper'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


BartlebyFink - Jun 23, 2005 9:54:12 am PDT #9986 of 10001
One Hot Burrito!

[For me, the themes weigh more than whether all four of them would be at the front door or spread out.]

Can't do the quoting-ness of it all, but I heartedly agree with Allyson. Even if there are things that any number of us would like to see or to change, this show is all about - I think Tim said - the moments. Who cares if they all went to the door at the same time? I just thought that looked really cool. Four different people, four different approaches to the door and four different attitudes to what might be on the other side. For me, that moment was as much about four people who, despite their histories and ideals, come together as a single functioning unit. Whether that is just solid teamwork or for some devil-y, Web-benefiting purpose has yet to be seen. For me, that is one of the many moments I'm coming back for.


§ ita § - Jun 23, 2005 9:54:38 am PDT #9987 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

On a TV show that involves the FBI, I begin with the expectation of fulfilling, at least nominally, the standards of FBI procedure.

I admit I don't know the real FBI standards. My FBI knowledge comes from The X-Files and Profiler, and the like (why am I coming up so dry on other shows?). I have never had a bar of reality set for FBI on TV.

Her post doesn't cite a specific nit.

You're not counting "whether all four of them would be at the front door or spread out" as a citation, or as a nit?


Polter-Cow - Jun 23, 2005 9:55:15 am PDT #9988 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

You're not counting "whether all four of them would be at the front door or spread out" as a citation, or as a nit?

Yeah, I went back and saw that afterward. I was looking for a quotation. Oops.


§ ita § - Jun 23, 2005 9:57:16 am PDT #9989 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

that moment was as much about four people who, despite their histories and ideals, come together as a single functioning unit

But, see, if you think the behaviour was nonsensical, it's not good teamwork, and it's not a functioning unit. So I was left wondering if these people work together often, and where Paul (first to come out of low ready gun position) is aiming that gun, because it sure looks like it's at the head of whoever's opening the door, and am I really supposed to think they're good at their jobs.

Meta-wise, I know not. But I did have to take a moment and edit response.

Which leans towards Kristen's assertion that it's not a nit. But I'm sure the people who don't like Web's pen colour think it's really important too, and perhaps not a nit either.


BartlebyFink - Jun 23, 2005 9:57:23 am PDT #9990 of 10001
One Hot Burrito!

The team's FBI standard aren't neccessarily those of every other show's. They are a new division (for TV at least), they can do whatever they want. Besides, we know that Locke wasn't really FBI material...Web got her through it for his own endgame. That's how I see the team's procedures anyway.


-t - Jun 23, 2005 10:01:29 am PDT #9991 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

When they all went to the door, I didn't think "That's not FBI procedure" or suchlike, because, frankly, what do I know about FBI procedure? Whatever the X-Files and Twin Peaks got right, pretty much. But I did think "Oh, no, something bad is gonna happen somewhere else while they're all grouped together like that." If that was the intent, then it worked.


Allyson - Jun 23, 2005 10:03:09 am PDT #9992 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Oh, I think it is a nit, to clarify.

Having Danny run to the back door sacrifices the scene of the four of them with guns drawn at a ten-year-old, which to me is hilarious. The tactical sense of it never occured to me at all.

But to be clear(er), I understand that the nit can sacrifice the scene if you're focusing on that error. Makes the scene less powerful or not at all powerful. In which case to the person scratching it's no longer a nit but big ole bunny gnawing on your skull.


Kristen - Jun 23, 2005 10:04:57 am PDT #9993 of 10001

On a TV show that involves the FBI, I begin with the expectation of fulfilling, at least nominally, the standards of FBI procedure.

Well, they did have a guy who had, you know, been an FBI agent. So if they get some FBI procedure wrong, I'm probably going to cut them some slack. Myabe next season they'll get a better FBI consultant.

Which leans towards Kristen's assertion that it's not a nit.

To me it's a question about story/characterization, which would put it beyond a nit. Would these people really do this thing that they seem to doing right now?

But I'm sure the people who don't like Web's pen colour think it's really important too, and perhaps not a nit either.

It's really important to me and yet not at all vital to the story or the character. Which is, what I think, makes it a nit.

Yellow. Pen. It's just wrong.


Allyson - Jun 23, 2005 10:10:16 am PDT #9994 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Also, I'm taking out some issues I've read around the net, here.

Most notably, the assertion that Rebecca is too unprofessional at her job, and shouldn't be an FBI agent and therefore the show is ridiculous.

And i keep thinking, "yes. she wasn't supposed to be a field agent. thanks for getting it."


Kristen - Jun 23, 2005 10:11:33 am PDT #9995 of 10001

I've stopped reading around the net. No good can come of it.