Could just be a hoax, though. I fake some headaches, everyone gets used to poor helpless Spike. Then one day, no warning, I snap a spine, bend a head back, drain 'em dry. Brilliant.

Spike ,'Potential'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Steph L. - Jun 17, 2005 9:43:03 am PDT #9550 of 10001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Okay, Colin Firth seems like a nice chap, but is very nondescript to me. I think I've been confusing Clive Owen with Colin Farrell -- is he the one with the eyebrows of doom? (Other than Peter Gallhager, I mean?)

What if instead of cuffing her, he'd smacked her in the face? Would that count as assault?

yes, as would cuffing her

But kissing her wouldn't have been considered assault? (Again, that's not meant to be snotty; I don't know what legally defines "assault." If someone kisses me and I don't want him to, is that assault?)


Vortex - Jun 17, 2005 9:44:01 am PDT #9551 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

that there's some indication that women who are powerful outside the bedroom particularly enjoy the switch of feeling (though not being) powerless inside it.

That didn't bother me, because that's been said about powerful men all the time.


Vortex - Jun 17, 2005 9:44:45 am PDT #9552 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

But kissing her wouldn't have been considered assault? (Again, that's not meant to be snotty; I don't know what legally defines "assault." If someone kisses me and I don't want him to, is that assault?)

depends, and yes, it can be. t /lawyerspeak


Dana - Jun 17, 2005 9:50:09 am PDT #9553 of 10001
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

I think I've been confusing Clive Owen with Colin Farrell -- is he the one with the eyebrows of doom?

Yes. And not nearly as cute as either of the other two, although Jessica may hurt me.


Scrappy - Jun 17, 2005 9:52:56 am PDT #9554 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Teppy, Teppy, Teppy--you need to watch movies with these guys in them. Not only will you then be able to tell them apart, but they have made some terrific films which I think youd really like, It's a no lose situation.

Clive: Gosford Park, Croupier, Closer

Colin: Pride & Prejudice, Bridget Jone's Diary, Fever Pitch, Girl with Pearl Earring


Jessica - Jun 17, 2005 9:53:56 am PDT #9555 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

Clive Owen != cute. Clive Owen = HOTT.

Colin Farrell can be either, depending.

Colin Firth is mostly just boring.


Sophie Max - Jun 17, 2005 9:58:17 am PDT #9556 of 10001

If someone kisses me and I don't want him to, is that assault?)

assault= touching without consent of the person being touched, knowing they don't want to be touched. (or being reckless/wilfully blind about whether they want to be touched, which is the fuzzier area of course).

So, unless you told the guy "lay it on me, big boy", so that he thought you did want it - kiss without consent = assault.

As did the handcuffing of Rebecca in my view. That said, not sure his kissing her was an assault, since he was going in for that slowly enough that she had the opportunity to say 'back off' or step away. in that context, he could have the belief she's into it...the handcuff is not a reasonable leap from the kissing, though, in terms of his belief about her consent. in my opinion, anyway .

Consent in a sexual context can be so complicated because it's all so often unspoken - nobody wants to stop at every stage of the process and say "is it okay if I move my hand here now? how about here?". It goes on body language and eye contact and mutual groping.

What's interesting to me about the BDSM context is that in some ways there's less room for misunderstanding, because the rules have to be negotiated beforehand, if it's being done ethically (if that's the right word). So the lines are clearly known beforehand.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 17, 2005 10:06:21 am PDT #9557 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Colin: Pride & Prejudice, Bridget Jone's Diary, Fever Pitch, Girl with Pearl Earring

Also the aforementioned Apartment Zero with Hart Bochner.


Scrappy - Jun 17, 2005 10:15:39 am PDT #9558 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

A Clive Owen movie which is too talky and reveals its origins as a stage play but will still break your heart-- Bent.

You get to see Clive kissing the cute boys, plus lots of good good good acting.


Emily - Jun 17, 2005 10:17:13 am PDT #9559 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Colin Firth is mostly just boring.

I say good day to you, Jessica!

I don't think anyone's arguing that the cuffing was warranted, or asked for, or an okay thing -- he was a dick, and if he thought she was interested (as I think he did), it was still a dickish bad letting-down-the-side this-is-why-he-got-banned stupid thing to do.

I guess I just think that intent wasn't there. And I know intent isn't the be-all end-all of a thing, but I think legally it counts for something, right? Like, the difference between manslaughter and murder? And morally... yeah, I guess I do think it counts for something. Which doesn't make it okay. At all. I'd be freaking out even without past trauma. But it doesn't make him a rapist. Or... okay, I kind of forget what I was arguing about.