Or if he cuffed his pants.
That's just sick and wrong, man. Pants can't consent!
Or....what kind of crazy Hollywood pants are you wearing these days?
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The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.
Steph L. - Jun 17, 2005 8:40:54 am PDT #9517 of 10001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe
Kristen - Jun 17, 2005 8:41:54 am PDT #9518 of 10001
I don't know how to phrase it -- is it that it's an unwanted mode of sexual expression (where you haven't even cleared up if there's to be any sex), or that it's one that involves you being restrained?
If it's dogs, I can pretty much get up and walk out. But if you've restrained me, you've taken away my ability to do that. And, frankly, I'm not sure my brain would immediately go to a, "Oh this person is a bad top," place. More like, "Omigod, I just had dinner with Angelo Buono."
I'm assuming that if he cuffed himself you'd just leave.
I might take pictures first. Just so I could show you guys.
DavidS - Jun 17, 2005 8:42:22 am PDT #9519 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Like Rebecca said early on, it's commonly accepted that the sub is the one with the real power because they can stop the game at any time.
FWIW, this is not how I understand "the real power" accruing to a sub. It's not the ability to stop the game - that's a safeword, a mechanism. It is the more complex dynamic that the sub gives the dom power. The shift in the power dynamic is under the sub's control.
Pix - Jun 17, 2005 8:44:14 am PDT #9520 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie
FWIW, this is not how I understand "the real power" accruing to a sub. It's not the ability to stop the game - that's a safeword, a mechanism. It is the more complex dynamic that the sub gives the dom power. The shift in the power dynamic is under the sub's control.
Well, yes. I was just going with the explanation provided. But by "stop the game" I don't just mean a safe word--I'm referring more to the entire game of sub vs. dom.
Topic!Cindy - Jun 17, 2005 8:45:14 am PDT #9521 of 10001
What is even happening?
I know nothing about BDSM. This is the most I've ever heard (read) it discussed. Now I'm afraid to watch the episode. I think it might be a squicker, for me. Is it squickly?
Steph L. - Jun 17, 2005 8:46:16 am PDT #9522 of 10001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe
FWIW, this is not how I understand "the real power" accruing to a sub. It's not the ability to stop the game - that's a safeword, a mechanism. It is the more complex dynamic that the sub gives the dom power. The shift in the power dynamic is under the sub's control.
It's kinda both, really. Because the sub does give their power up to the dom, but can always say stop at any time.
Like the cars driving instructors use that have a brake pedal on the passenger side for the instructor to use if need be. The instructor gives the student control of the car, but can literally hit the brakes at any time.
Not being able to say stop and have it mean stop is *not* power. (Which I realize you weren't saying.)
Cashmere - Jun 17, 2005 8:47:04 am PDT #9523 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.
I think it might be a squicker, for me. Is it squickly?
It's not any squickier than some things I know you've seen. I thought the episode was really fascinating (even if all the parts didn't exactly work for me). It's an interesting subject--proven by the interesting discussion here.
DavidS - Jun 17, 2005 8:47:13 am PDT #9524 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Is it squickly?
I didn't find it squickly, but it is emotionally disturbing at times.
Kristen - Jun 17, 2005 8:48:56 am PDT #9525 of 10001
Did you know that Dude was into S&M? Rebecca did. If you knew, were you curious about it? Rebecca was.
But I still don't think that excuses it or, honestly, even mitigates it. If my hypothetical date likes skydiving and I say, "Oh that sounds cool. Tell me more." I doubt that would lead to the assumption that it's okay to toss me out of plane without my consent after creme brulee.
Pix - Jun 17, 2005 8:51:12 am PDT #9526 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie
But I still don't think that excuses it or, honestly, even mitigates it. If my hypothetical date likes skydiving and I say, "Oh that sounds cool. Tell me more." I doubt that would lead to the assumption that it's okay to toss me out of plane without my consent after creme brulee.
Yes, this was what I was trying to say.
Plus, this:
Did you know that Dude was into S&M? Rebecca did. If you knew, were you curious about it? Rebecca was.is still our supposition, not an established truth...and more importantly, certainly not something discussed directly between the two of them.
Also, I say again, she was the FBI agent investigating a rape/murder!