Lorne: Once the word spreads you beat up an innocent old man, well, the truly terrible will think twice before going toe-to-toe with our Avenging Angel. Spike: Yes. The geriatric community will be soiling their nappies when they hear you're on the case. Bravo.

'The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Steph L. - Jun 17, 2005 7:51:06 am PDT #9474 of 10001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

a dom that tries to force his/her sub to do something against their will is far from perfect

I'm not calling him perfect! I'm saying there's a difference between playing at something, and not being the best (or even, honestly, good) at it. I think they imply very different mindsets. Brandt took BDSM seriously -- probably too seriously, which is what led him to chain up Rebecca and then freak. That's not playing, in my book.

Yes, this. Totally.


§ ita § - Jun 17, 2005 7:51:13 am PDT #9475 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I didn't say anything about fair.

I wasn't saying that Rebecca was fair, or needed to be -- I was saying that I disagreed with what I'm reading you as saying - that it wasn't a fair (as in mine -- watch the world revolve around ita, why don't we?) reading of the text.


Nutty - Jun 17, 2005 7:51:42 am PDT #9476 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

cold enough to wean a vulture

I picked this up from Spanish. I think it is the polite alternative to "colder than a witch's tit." Yes, I am aware vultures do not actually nurse their young, unless we are talking metaphorically about business executives.


brenda m - Jun 17, 2005 7:51:46 am PDT #9477 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Oh, here is something that I'm confused about: did the cop do the initial killing that started the investigation that led to Brandt being a suspect in the first place?

I think yes.

So that he could follow up on Brandt's social life and rape and murder all of his dates?

I'm not sure how that follows.

Or are we to assume that the cop was stalking Brandt for his own reasons prior to the beginning of the first investigation?

He was after him for a (series of?) rapes. Did they establish whether he was or wasn't guilty of those, though? Now I'm getting a picture of the cop as Paul during the first investigation.


Kristen - Jun 17, 2005 7:52:20 am PDT #9478 of 10001

Brandt took BDSM seriously -- probably too seriously, which is what led him to chain up Rebecca and then freak.

No, see, I think what led him to chain up Rebecca and freak is that he's an arrogant boy who thinks he's smarter than he is. Which is completely separate from his involvement in BDSM.

ETA: And actually he and Rebecca have a lot in common. Maybe they can become drinking buddies in Ep 14.


-t - Jun 17, 2005 7:52:31 am PDT #9479 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

"what doesn't make you worse off makes you better off"

Something like. It's not quite as tautological as it sounds on first blush - you aren't left exactly the same. Which may be obvious, but isn't a tautology.

I have a thing about Nietzsche being misused but not enough scholarship to be really authoritative about it. But considering how broken he was, I doubt he meant that suffering universally leads to strength.


Emily - Jun 17, 2005 7:53:07 am PDT #9480 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

That's a good question, brenda. Somewhere in the back of my head I'm thinking that they said something about a series of rapes, but then they only ever talked about the one that was recanted. Anyone remember better, or do I have to find the tape?

Er, or go to work?


§ ita § - Jun 17, 2005 7:54:19 am PDT #9481 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Which is completely separate from his involvement in BDSM.

But if he weren't into BDSM, would he have chained her? He's definitely arrogant, no doubt. But part of his arrogance causes/is manifested¹ in an attitude that BDSM will cure anything that ails ya.

So his action was a result of his personality, and his interests intertwined.

¹: God, I type that manfisted three times.


Emily - Jun 17, 2005 7:54:35 am PDT #9482 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

No, see, I think what led him to chain up Rebecca and freak is that he's an arrogant boy who thinks he's smarter than he is.

I think he took himself too seriously, and taking the BDSM too seriously is a part of that. Doesn't make it a judgment on BDSM outside of Brandt. I think.


Steph L. - Jun 17, 2005 7:55:33 am PDT #9483 of 10001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

to chain up Rebecca and freak

In the reenactment/flashback, was it actually established that Brandt freaked out? Or is that what Creepy Bossman assumed?

Or it could just be semantics. I call what Rebecca did "freaking out." And so when I think of Brandt freaking out, I can't picture him flipping out in the same way that she did.

I *can* picture him saying "Oh, holy FUCK, I thought you wanted this, crap sonofabitch crap crap crap," and letting her out of the cuffs. Which I wouldn't call freaking out as much as making a HUGE error in judgement (or, perhaps, a total LACK of judgement), and getting a rude awakening.

Again, it's not a big thing and could be semantics.