everything else is after the fact. It's the imagining of how the victims got that way that brings the creepieness.

Beg to differ. That movie blew its creepiness budget in the first 20 minutes, and started borrowing from the Grand Guignol budget.

Matt's ponit remains true, i.e. being primed to imagine awfulness is more emotionally arresting than if you'd seen the explicit awfulness. I think it goes double whenever severed heads are involved, because of how fake severed heads tend to look.

major understatement. I took a glance over there and the vitriol is spewing rather heavily. Even the people who don't hate it aren't showing a lot of enthusiasm for it. I don't get it.

I think it's more like THEY don't get it. I think they are just seeing surface stuff and not actually thinking much about what they saw. Maybe they are so used to shows doing the work for them, that they resent making the effort themselves?

TWOP tends to go in waves, everyone trashes something for a while, then someone pipes up and gives praise, which brings out more people who say positive things about it.

Yes. When sloth coughed, I jumped out of my seat so fast I left my skin behind.

I'm still broken about numbers and can't even start discussing the episode.

Let the record show I went to bed last night kind of messed up by the man-rape. It was one of those things where, you know, what they don't show you is scarier than what they do?

[Shudder.]

Yes. When sloth coughed, I jumped out of my seat so fast I left my skin behind.

You and me both. I have never been so glad to have a mostly undrunk-as-yet soda in my chair's armrest/cupholder.

herd group-think...TWOP is the herdiest.

I'm still broken about numbers

I'm going to Office Depot to try and cheer myself up. You want some colorful gel pens?

You want some colorful gel pens?

Yes please.

TWOP is the herdiest.

I read a post about how mad someone was that Rebecca was so vindictive to the manraped dude, because, you know, she went willingly into a serial killer suspects house and therefore deserved to be cuffed and terrorized.

And then I closed the window.

I saw some of the same "gore for gore's sake blah blah" over at TWoP. I expect them to hate the show... but I don't usually expect them to go so herd group-think with stuff that's, frankly, not there.

This thread is like Annie Hall come to life.

TWoP Guy: Gore for gore's sake blah blah. Minear did better work on Angel... and I didn't like that either. Firefly was blah blah blah.
Alvy Buffista: What do you do when you get stuck in a thread with a guy like this? You don't know anything about Tim Minear's work
TWoP Guy: Really? Really? I happen to recap shows for Television Without Pity, so I think that my insights into Mr. Minear, well, have a great deal of validity.
Alvy Buffista: Oh, that's funny, because I happen to have Mr. Minear right here. Come over here for a second? Tell him.
Tim Minear: I heard what you were saying. You, you know nothing of my work. How you ever got to recap anything is totally amazing.