coming out of lurkdom after those overnight numbers.

Those are very upsetting.

I question how many people really know its out there? I almost didn't watch it till I realized it was a Tim show. People are still not trained to look for good tv during the summer. I love these kind of shows. (besides shows about vampires, space westerns, and quirky shows with talking chameleons, crime mysteries are my favorite) On another note I do find it a bit gory. I am of the thought that gore does not make a show or movie better. The rape scene at the end was very effective to me and it didn't show anything.

I do need a new toaster so perhaps I am going to have to look into earning a few.

PenDuffy, I'm curious -- what struck you as gory? I've seen rats crawl out of the mouths of dead bodies on CSI. I had a shot of a body on the slab in the morgue, but no autopsy, for instance. I'm still amazed at this charge of over-gore, so I'm curious.

Not PenDuffy, but the photos Rebecca was looking at before the team meeting were rather nasty (I think DX mentioned last night he needed to look away). They don't cross my line for gore, but I can see that it would for some people.

Gotcha. Remember that scene in "Jaws" where Brody is flipping through the shark bite book and we're cutting faster and faster and you think you see more than is there? That's what I was going for in that scene. It's funny how people see two different things.

Some of the critics were like, "we've never seen this much gore! It's gore-porn!"

The critic from the Denver Post said: "Lean dialogue, clever plot twists and fewer ghastly autopsy details than in the "CSI" universe..."

So either it's out goring CSI or it's got less ghastly details. Can it be both, emprically?

You know, I finally realized why the first ep creeped me out so much. It was the fact that he attacked her/kidnapped her from her apartment. I am very alert getting out of my car and walking up the stairs to my apartmetn, but once I'm inside, I let my guard down. I wouldn't necessarily be paying attention if someone came up to me from behind when I walked into the bedroom or something.

I think both CSI and X-Files are/have been gorier than this, so far. Like the X-Files ep with the fat-sucking guy. Yeah.

The critic from the Denver Post said: "Lean dialogue, clever plot twists and fewer ghastly autopsy details than in the "CSI" universe..."

maybe people delinate between pictures seen on TV and scenes played. The pictures seem less real than the "action". Two layers of distance, if you will.

The "Home" episode of The X-Files was the grossest thing I've ever seen on TV. Gross doesn't necessarily equal gore, but still.

I don't think The Inside is heavily gore-tastic at all. The pictures last night went by too fast to really notice. What got me more was Strong and Brandt -- it was so clear what was about to happen, and Brandt was helpless. It wasn't gory, and the actual violence wasn't shown, but it was horrifying in the blunt reality of what was going to take place.

So you think they're reacting to the content, in terms of what they're talking about? I think you might be right, but it's imprecise to call that gore.

So either it's out goring CSI or it's got less ghastly details. Can it be both, emprically?

On the latter I'd say no, but I can't say on the former because I've never watched CSI.

However, I do know it's hitting squick buttons less than some episodes of the X-Files, but I'm doubtful you'll be featuring any Fluke Boys, Jesus-Banana-Slugs, people getting mulched in escalators, or butt genies. Mrs. Peacock, however, would certainly be in the realm of possibility.

In terms of current shows, I think House is far gorier, though the people there are supposed to be alive during the gross-out scenes, which, in a lot of ways, makes it worse.