Well, it's just good to know that when the chips are down and things look grim you'll feed off the girl who loves you to save your own ass!

Xander ,'Chosen'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 15, 2005 6:17:57 pm PDT #9141 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Had to catch up with the new Good Eats (oh the irony of following up The Inside with that) and catch the non-interview portion of the Daily Show, but just wanted to chime in with a "Wow, that was really disturbing. In that good way. Kudos."

And now, to bed.


Jessica - Jun 15, 2005 6:18:53 pm PDT #9142 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Had to catch up with the new Good Eats

Ooh, that's right! It's Wednesday!


Pix - Jun 15, 2005 6:23:37 pm PDT #9143 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

Okay, getting past the creepiness enough to comment coherently.

I watched these first two eps back-to-back. I hadn't had a chance until now to see the pilot, so perhaps that's why my creep-o-meter was set especially high. It's also why I haven't been posting in or reading this thread until now, so please forgive me if I repeat what other people have already said. I'm planning on trying to keep up with it now.

I love Web's character. I love the idea of Web as puppet master (and yeah--the posable action figures line made me laugh and flinch at the same time, which is quite a trick if you can pull it off). I also love that unanswered question: so what is his history, exactly? How did he become the way he is? I like that all of the characters are damaged in some way and that Web selects his team for the strengths that grow out of being damaged...which obviously ties pretty solidly into this week's script.

I really liked that the dominant wasn't the killer tonight. I liked also that the issue of S&M and judgement was broached and yet never resolved. I like it when characters are well-developed enough to believably have different reactions to topics like that. I agree with whomever it was (Jessica, I think?) that said they thought that that was written well. It didn't settle for any of the stereotypes: it was neither glorified nor villified.

[ETA: Emily said what I meant better in an earlier x-post:]

My problem tends to be that it's played so blatantly to titillate (not this time, I'm saying usually) and wavers between glamorizing and moralizing, so the people involved are all gorgeous and wearing fantastic clothing and in opulent surroundings -- and they're also pretentious and/or violent. Okay, Brandt was a bit pretentious. But other than that, well avoided!
Rebecca is growing on me. I liked the first episode, but I wasn't thrilled with her--something about her didn't quite ring true for me at first. I have to say, though, that I like her much better now. I'm so glad that the cell phone msg was her and not Web; that added a whole new dimension to her and took away the predictible: that is was the puppet master again. Very interesting.

So yeah...short version is that I'm really glad I have this TiVo'd and am liking it so far, much more so after this second show. Next week looks really interesting too.

It's nice to have a Minear show back on the air.


Allyson - Jun 15, 2005 6:25:49 pm PDT #9144 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I love Web's character. I love the idea of Web as puppet master

When I spoke with Rachel today she said it reminded her of a twisted version of Oliver, with Web taking in all the broken orphans and giving them the occassional treat in order to manipulate them to his gain.


Pix - Jun 15, 2005 6:27:03 pm PDT #9145 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

Web is Fagan. Holy crap.


Amy - Jun 15, 2005 6:28:59 pm PDT #9146 of 10001
Because books.

Web is Fagan. Holy crap

I was just going to say. Love this idea.

Although now I want to listen to "Pick a Pocket or Two" and "Be Back Soon".


Tim Minear - Jun 15, 2005 6:30:15 pm PDT #9147 of 10001
"Don' be e-scared"

"Twisted Oliver." Awesome.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 15, 2005 6:30:28 pm PDT #9148 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I will add one thing, and then off to bed. I'm still getting a lot of flatness from Rachel's line readings, but she's doing some really interesting non-verbal stuff that's definitely off-setting and/or indicating that it's her character who is flat/affectless, not necessarily the actress. Those looks are mainly when Rebecca knows, or at least thinks, that she's not under direct observation.

I'll need to go back and re-watch now that I don't have to follow the plot quite so much.

Also, I liked that while we don't know much more about them, that Adam and Katie got to at least play a nice Statler and Waldorf to the rest of the team this week in comparison to the pilot.


Allyson - Jun 15, 2005 6:32:11 pm PDT #9149 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Would also like to point out that the DA was named Madeline...which is Tim's mom's name.

I'm choosing to believe that naming a character after you and then killing the shit out of you is Tim's way of saying, "I love you."

Otherwise, he just has some issues.


Allyson - Jun 15, 2005 6:33:26 pm PDT #9150 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Awesome.

That's what I told her. She said, "Really? Thanks!"

She was just plain adorable. And grateful. And adorable.