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The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


thegrommit - Jun 01, 2004 6:58:48 pm PDT #91 of 10001
Um.

Forgot all about Black Adder - that's out on DVD right? I only caught a couple episodes of BA IV, I think it was. The one set in World War I? Laughed my ass off.

Yes, they're available on DVD in North America now. The first season was a bit ropey, but they got better and better with each one.

Most BBC programmes are 50-55 minutes long. They get edited down for North American markets to permit more commercials. It used to be very noticeable how Star Trek would end after 45 minutes when it was shown on BBC2. The 15 minute timeslot did allow some interesting short programmes to be aired though.

The first thing I noticed about US TV was how a commercial was shown before the programme begins, then another after the title sequence. That's not normally done on British commercial TV (or at least it wasn't a few years ago). The frequency of commercial breaks also took time to get used to. As ellemarie noted, we're used to longer chunks of content.

Looking very stylish Liese.

edit differentiate between BBC and commercial TV.


§ ita § - Jun 01, 2004 7:01:30 pm PDT #92 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

a commercial was shown before the programme begins, then another after the title sequence

Semantically, isn't it after the previous show ends? Top of the hour starts with the show. Most go to ads after the opening credits -- I'm rewatching Another World from 1988, and I keep forgetting to not FF through them, since they're short and there's TV right on the other side.

Then there are shows like Alias which sometimes have more than ten minutes of show before the opening credits.


Liese S. - Jun 01, 2004 7:07:50 pm PDT #93 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Do we know the amount of time regularly scheduled for shows over history, to see how much landscape we're losing to advertising now?


thegrommit - Jun 01, 2004 7:08:14 pm PDT #94 of 10001
Um.

Semantically, isn't it after the previous show ends?

Fair point. I posted from the viewpoint of switching on the TV for a certain programme - i.e. I'm here to watch Angel, not the preceding programme. Usually this results in a minute or two of commercials first.

Then there are shows like Alias which sometimes have more than ten minutes of show before the opening credits.

I've noticed that Alias has been cooperating with their advertisers more than many other shows. The deal with the Ford truck was a particularly obnoxious example. Moving the ad breaks around is another symptom of this I guess.


Scrappy - Jun 01, 2004 7:09:11 pm PDT #95 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

US shows run around 44 minutes for an hour long show and 23 for a half hour.

Signed,
Sees a Lot of Time-Coded Tapes at Work


The Partyman - Jun 01, 2004 7:09:41 pm PDT #96 of 10001
[insert something funny here]

Whilst I was visiting LA (was that really only three months ago?) and pottering about in the hotal room, I was repeatedly AMAZED at how many commercial breaks there were in "That 70's Show". One time I swear there was commercial, 90 second of show, then back to commercial. Crazy shit.


thegrommit - Jun 01, 2004 7:10:45 pm PDT #97 of 10001
Um.

Do we know the amount of time regularly scheduled for shows over history, to see how much landscape we're losing to advertising now?

How would product placement fit into this? The Avaya phones on Angel, and the Ford truck on Alias for example. *ugh* I guess it works as I have their brands in my head.


§ ita § - Jun 01, 2004 7:12:35 pm PDT #98 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Moving the ad breaks around is another symptom of this I guess.

I think the earlier ad breaks are probably sweeter for the sellers. I have no data to back this up, just a suspicion that most TV shows do precisely what the advertisers want.


The Partyman - Jun 01, 2004 7:13:11 pm PDT #99 of 10001
[insert something funny here]

Do we know the amount of time regularly scheduled for shows over history, to see how much landscape we're losing to advertising now?

I remember reading something at Vidiot.com a while back moaning about how the hourlongs were getting shorter and shorter... whole seconds being lost to commercials!


Sydney Carton - Jun 01, 2004 7:14:30 pm PDT #100 of 10001
Actually, I've feeling a wee bit peckish...

Liese = hottie

:-)

And Tamara, present company excluded on the gut-less financial types. I'm just a little jaded from having to build a company the hard way.

Tim's (me) biggest pet peeve is unmerited praise. I get sick of uninteresting ideas getting a great deal of support an hype. Actually, technology is a LOT like television. Subjective and almost all of it is short-sighted manipulation and BS.

Then every once and a while a real jewel comes along - i.e. any ME project + WF + whatever Tim's baby ends up being. Same with technology - you have to put up with a bunch of HomeGrocers.com and Value Americas to get an Apple or Sun Micro or SGI.