When we landed here you said you needed a few days to get space worthy again and is there somethin' wrong with your bunk?

Mal ,'Out Of Gas'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Kristen - Jun 12, 2005 11:59:43 am PDT #8726 of 10001

alked about how Rebecca was "kidnapped by a serial killer called 'The Apostle.'

Okay, I read that one too. I was very confused about it until we watched the episode. I had completely forgotten that line and had no idea where The Apostle thing had come from.

I thought maybe someone had been watching that Robert Duvall movie in another room.


Typo Boy - Jun 12, 2005 12:09:34 pm PDT #8727 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Since I actually have time this morning I'm going to explain my 'pulp fiction' comparison a bit more. I think where it differs from Buffy ( I won't say anything about Tim written eps -even as a joke it is starting to wear thin) and to some extent Angel is that rather than stretching genre conventions or playing within them it is playing with them. Buffy to my mind though original a brilliant stayed solidly within the vampire movie conventons. The one convention it reversed (the petite frivolous blonde being the first victim) struck me as something it tended to be more earnest than playful with. Not that there was not a lot of play in Buffy, but it was playing within the coventions rather than using the conventions themselves as objects of play. (And yes I can think of lots of exceptions - Buffy had enough episodes that you can find an example of most things. But I think I'm describing the overall trend - the contrast of kickass Buffy with the victim cliche was something the show was pretty earnest about.)

OK Angel I think did more of the type of play with tropes (as opposed to play within them - though there was plenty of both). For example Angel as deeply stupid , manipulative, inclined to manipulate people for their "own good" and misjudge the nature of that good was a great playing with the dark brooding "good vampire" trope.

In spite of in no sense being a comedy, The Inside takes the serial killer trope and is playful with it. To be playful with that particular trope (as opposed to Western, Sci-fi supernatural horror) takes a lot of guts. Pulp Fiction IMO was the last major work to do that well. These are not world or nation threatening villains a la 24; they are the kind of danger you can imagine encountering in real life - and yet The Inside dares to be playful with in a way the CSI franchise, and the whole cop drama thing never is.

OK I know a very individual reading - probably getting out of it something the creator did not intend. But part of my experience in watching the show; don't neccesarily expect anyone else to see it.


JenP - Jun 12, 2005 1:50:23 pm PDT #8728 of 10001

a sleazy charm all its own

I love that.

P-C's link hates me. And in my own out in the wilds, I had the same problem ita had at the 57% mark. Twice. Going to see if there's anything new out.


thegrommit - Jun 12, 2005 1:59:43 pm PDT #8729 of 10001
Um.

The Global Frequency pilot is also on usenet - alt.binaries.multimedia

I'm partial to shows with "big ideas", so this one had me within five minutes. Unfortunately the books are still in print, so this is another reason to stop by a comic store. Damn you P-C, damn you to Disneyland and back.


Morgana - Jun 12, 2005 2:12:35 pm PDT #8730 of 10001
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

In that description of the upcoming episode,

"and there's an explicit rape scene"
has me worried. Face flaps, degloved hands, quarts of blood tossed around, those I can deal with.


Allyson - Jun 12, 2005 2:33:01 pm PDT #8731 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

has me worried. Face flaps, degloved hands, quarts of blood tossed around, those I can deal with.

I have a rape squick, too. I don't deal with it well, at all. Can make me feel rage for hours and days.

I don't know how this one will play, but it sort of turns the squick on its head.

It's interesting and I can't wait to discuss it.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 12, 2005 3:18:27 pm PDT #8732 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Well, no. I guess maybe these critics are doing their laundry while watching or something.

I certainly hope that's the case, because otherwise the gulf between objective reality and what this critic is seeing is very, very worrisome.


CaBil - Jun 12, 2005 3:18:31 pm PDT #8733 of 10001
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

All of GF has been collected...


Jon B. - Jun 12, 2005 3:52:19 pm PDT #8734 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

All of GF has been collected...

Is it findable somewhere other than usenet? PC's link no worky no more, and the torrent is giving me no love.


Tom Scola - Jun 12, 2005 4:07:41 pm PDT #8735 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Insent, Jon, but not in any way to imply anything illegal.