( continues...) kindly person on the show. I remember reading some interview with or post by Joss, in which he said he thought it was important to like the characters, if you were going to expect people to invite them into their living rooms, each week. So far, I like Paul and Rebecca. We shall see about the others. I can't imagine liking Web, but that's okay. I don't think you have to like them all.
The Herc AICN article on
The Inside,
quoted Tim as saying:
“It's ‘Silence Of The Lambs’ by way of ‘L.A. Confidential.’ Paul sees himself as the one thing standing between Rebecca and Web's corrupting influence. It is a battle for her soul. If in fact she has one.”
I think she certainly has a soul, at least right now. She was too moved by the video-feed of the final victim, for me to think otherwise. It will be interesting to see how this triangle battle-for-soul plays out.
I'm glad the title didn't get changed to
Southland.
It's a great title, and I understand it's slang to people in the business, for the LA area, but I think for me (and I suspect others who aren't in the business or don't live in Cali), it would have evoked somewhere more like Georgia.
QUESTION:
"Lurk much," cracked me up, even though I knew it was coming. My friend from another board swears someone toward the end of the show said a Lilah-line, but she can't remember who said it, or what it was. Was that "Lurk much," or is there something else? I think "Lurk much" is a BtVS line--Dawn maybe said it to Spike. I think Angel once said, "I lurk," to someone, but I disremember the circumstances. And, now I can hear both Buffy and Lilah saying it to Angel (and maybe they both did, at one time or another) in my head. Obviously, I'm of no help at all, neither are the voices.
How many credits does Tim get for this gig, anyhow? I think I stopped counting around 149.
Oh, P.S. I'm *SO* glad this isn't an Undercover High School story. Of all the things Tim has killed, that premise needed killing the most--yes, even more than Darla. Watching Tim write for such a show would have been a disappointment--a Point Pleasant-sized disappointment.
There's something to be said for creating an alternate reality. Arguably, it too encourages forward progress.
I'm not saying The Inside is mysoginistic. (I've only seen the one but I sincerely doubt that would be the case.) But I can see how some people would really prefer the other approach.
Just read the article, and it makes me perhaps interested in catching Grey's Anatomy, when I hadn't been before because the promos were so very SEX!SEX!SEX! (which is a story element I, purely as a matter of taste, find uninteresting, cf Buffy S6). I would never say that we should go out of our way to address the nastier elements of life because something like casting happens to make it more apparent - I've always been a big believer in colorblind casting any time the script doesn't specify a race, because you might be closing out a brilliant actor based on looks and that is something I loathe. I don't mean that you should change what your show is about to highlight those unpleasant parts of life. What I mean is that I don't think shows should be expected to completely dance around them.
I guess my feeling is, if you don't want to watch something because you don't like that it is horribly misogynistic, or forces you to be exposed to violence you'd rather not see, that's your business and it's precisely the way to deal with your discomfort or upset. My problem starts when rather than saying, "This contained [whatever your thing you don't like is] and so I won't watch it," people say, "This contained [thing x] and so obviously its creator is morally bankrupt, completely supportive of [thing x], and should not be allowed to make art."
As ita pointed out, there are times when portraying something without supporting it is still exploiting it, and I don't like that, either. But if it is part of a well-constructed story, it fits within the story, it is not being used as a shortcut to certain reactions, then I don't think it needs to be changed. At the same time, if you have a story that forces us to suspend disbelief a little bit (like the extremely diverse hospital staff in Grey's Anatomy), but it would not add to the story in any significant way, I see no reason to bring that disconnect between real-world and TV-world to the fore and go on about it at length. (We should just assume that's a diverse hospital and that's how it is, rather than messing around with statistics of how many doctors may or may not be black or Korean or white or any other racial or ethnic group.)
ETA: I do think that if the ONLY stories available to us were ones that highlighted misogyny then something would need to change. And you can make different arguments about how present misogyny is in art currently. I do not feel (emphasis on the emotion present there) that it is so ubiquitous that we need to go on a crusade to make sure it isn't portrayed anywhere at all. [My main point that I have now completely left behind is that there is a difference between a misogynistic show and a misogynistic character, and I think that is an important distinction.]
My main point that I have now completely left behind is that there is a difference between a misogynistic show and a misogynistic character, and I think that is an important distinction.]
Yes. And I'd add that there's a difference between a misogynistic show, and a misogynistic story, or even arc. In fact, I think it is possible to have a misogynistic premise (I don't think "The Inside" will) and not be a misogynistic show.
An awful lot of crime *is* misogynistic in nature, so for me, it wouldn't work to ignore that.
While I know that there's some overlap between the two terms, a lot of what gets discussed as misogyny strikes me as more correctly described as chauvinism. Despite "Billy," I don't think there was much misogyny on Angel, but the show and character were often guilty of chauvinism.
I rewatched the episode again today (3rd time lucky) and it is indeed Skyman, not Simon.
I kinda get a Darla/Angel vibe from Web/Becky (but not really in a sexual way. Although that would be funny).
For those who had trouble downloading the GF pilot: [link]
P-C, myself and my boyfriend's roommate thank you.
I shouldn't even attempt that with dialup, should I?
It's over 400 megs, so I say...no.
It's of course possible that if someone already had your address a copy could turn up in the mail.
I mean, if that were even vaguely ethical.
