About the Skyman vs. Simon debate, the closed captioning said Skyman. I thought it was wrong at first, having noticed that his nametag read Simon. Perhaps it was a nickname he told the Panty Sniffer.

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Isn't it more than a little reckless to shoot a suspect without warning in front of surveillance cameras that you know damned well are there because you've used them to locate said suspect?

Isn't it more than a little reckless to shoot a suspect without warning in front of surveillance cameras that you know damned well are there because you've used them to locate said suspect?

Probably, but if they don't have audio, all the camera would reveal is that you shot someone holding a hostage.

Unless you can read lips.

It's possible to exploit misogyny and crimes against vaginas (cf SVU) without supporting them. I dislike it as a shorthand to ultimate horror.

ita, I'm confused, can you clarify?

Isn't it more than a little reckless to shoot a suspect without warning in front of surveillance cameras that you know damned well are there because you've used them to locate said suspect?

Future episodes spoiler: It was a little reckless, yes. And one of the arcs will deal with the consequences of that.

ita, I'm confused, can you clarify?

I'm not sure where I wasn't clear -- I was addressing the position that as long as you're not supporting the horror, it's okay. No, you can handle something badly without endorsing it. One of those ways is to use it as cheap shorthand.

Allyson: Thanks very much.

I completely missed the shout-out to you. I am a bad Buffista.

I get it now, ita, thanks.

I completely missed the shout-out to you. I am a bad Buffista.

They said Allyson's name twice, and showed a picture of a woman (Allyson, was that a picture of you, it went by too quickly for me to take a good look), the second time, I think.

The first time I heard it, I squeed even though I knew it was coming, and paused the TiVo to explain to Scott that it was a shout out to [the woman who was from out here, but moved out there, but came back out here for a visit and went out with the Buffistas the night I did and that she was a Bronzer, too] someone I knew. Then he went all, "You'll never get me, Minear, muahahaha" again. He's getting *far* too much mileage out of this, so I told him his episode was the Feel Good Dead Baby episode of the year, which, of course, he found hysterical.

The Short-Bus-Dupe-Guy definitely said Skyman. I think it was because of the cameras.

I don't know why, but I love that Adam Baldwin's character's name is Danny Love. It made me laugh.

So yeah obviously, I finally watched last night. Here are my way-random ramblings...

There's a shot of Rachel Nichols in the opening montage that I swore was Jodie Foster, and then thought, "Oh, that's what Tim meant." I hadn't seen the resemblance, 'til then. Before that (and after, mostly) the main physical resemblence I could see was between Nichols and Bridget Fonda. Regardless, I thought it worked well that Tim hung a lantern on the Clarice Starling similarities.

Something about Nichols put me in mind of Amber Benson, too. I don't know if it was her physicality, or maybe some sort of less tangible vulnerability.

WRT Damsel Issues:
I *didn't* feel like I was watching a Little Miss Muffet last night. LLM is the best way I can think of to describe my personal issues with Girl!Victims, in film and on TV. I've seen misogyny discussed a lot over the last few days. For me, it's not even that my misogyny meter is pinged by some stories and/or characters. I try not to get bent out of shape over tropes or the socio-political implications someone can pull out of them, as long as the story works.

My Little Miss Muffet aversion isn't a misogyny-portrayal aversion. It's just...I want to see (some? most?) women fight back, with whatever they have in their arsenal (for some of us, that isn't physicality). Where episode one is concerned, I don't think my issues would have been pinged (a la Amy Amatangelo), because Rebecca was resourceful, and confident. She put herself in danger, even after Webster ordered her to stop. And once she was too close to Simon, she chose to remain in her precarious position, over endangering the mother and little boy on the train.

Rebecca wasn't a Little Miss Muffet in this episode. That said, I think Amatangelo's point that there might be difficulties sustaining the premise, if Rebecca is always the one in danger, week after week, was probably a kindness. "Dawn's in trouble, must be Tuesday," was okay, because Dawn was not the lead character.

The gore was far too much for me, but I am such a wimp, it ought to be spelled whimp, of the less-is-more school, and, as has been well demonstrated, my tastes *so* do not mirror those of the 18-34 BOY demographic, so that's probably good. Thanks to the watch & post, I knew enough to watch between my fingers while the first crime scene was explored. In my mind, I heard Tim telling his family, "This show isn't fit for you people," over and over again, when the gore was on-screen. Gore doesn't scare me, it just disgusts.

For me, the scariest moment was when Rebecca was looking in the mirror and had a flashback (???) to the guy who was licking a soft serve ice cream cone and said t memfault to her. Creepy!

I want to know Webster's story. I want more Adam and Katie. Paul looks like the Love child of Rob Morrow (Joel on Northern Exposure) and Judd from the Real World (the season that featured that icky Puck), and I'm glad there's a (continued...)

( continues...) kindly person on the show. I remember reading some interview with or post by Joss, in which he said he thought it was important to like the characters, if you were going to expect people to invite them into their living rooms, each week. So far, I like Paul and Rebecca. We shall see about the others. I can't imagine liking Web, but that's okay. I don't think you have to like them all.

The Herc AICN article on The Inside, quoted Tim as saying:

“It's ‘Silence Of The Lambs’ by way of ‘L.A. Confidential.’ Paul sees himself as the one thing standing between Rebecca and Web's corrupting influence. It is a battle for her soul. If in fact she has one.”

I think she certainly has a soul, at least right now. She was too moved by the video-feed of the final victim, for me to think otherwise. It will be interesting to see how this triangle battle-for-soul plays out.

I'm glad the title didn't get changed to Southland. It's a great title, and I understand it's slang to people in the business, for the LA area, but I think for me (and I suspect others who aren't in the business or don't live in Cali), it would have evoked somewhere more like Georgia.

QUESTION:
"Lurk much," cracked me up, even though I knew it was coming. My friend from another board swears someone toward the end of the show said a Lilah-line, but she can't remember who said it, or what it was. Was that "Lurk much," or is there something else? I think "Lurk much" is a BtVS line--Dawn maybe said it to Spike. I think Angel once said, "I lurk," to someone, but I disremember the circumstances. And, now I can hear both Buffy and Lilah saying it to Angel (and maybe they both did, at one time or another) in my head. Obviously, I'm of no help at all, neither are the voices.

How many credits does Tim get for this gig, anyhow? I think I stopped counting around 149.

Oh, P.S. I'm *SO* glad this isn't an Undercover High School story. Of all the things Tim has killed, that premise needed killing the most--yes, even more than Darla. Watching Tim write for such a show would have been a disappointment--a Point Pleasant-sized disappointment.