It's possible to exploit misogyny and crimes against vaginas (cf SVU) without supporting them. I dislike it as a shorthand to ultimate horror.
Buffy? I like that. That girl's so hot, she's buffy.
Forrest ,'Conversations with Dead People'
The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.
§ ita § - Jun 11, 2005 3:22:27 pm PDT #8684 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Kiba Rika - Jun 11, 2005 3:35:09 pm PDT #8685 of 10001
I may have to seize the cat.
I dislike it as a shorthand to ultimate horror.
That makes sense. I think there is a balance to it. Sometimes it is valuable to portray these bad things, and it is certainly always possible to do so in a manner not exploitative, and it is thoroughly disappointing when people exploit it. Especially if they are pretending to be self-righteously against said misogyny while using melodramatic portrayal of it to their advantage. Even so, I know some people with a knee-jerk reaction to any portrayal of it at all that I think could use to be kept in check.
Trudy Booth - Jun 11, 2005 4:03:04 pm PDT #8686 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Yes, so much. I find myself constantly frustrated with people I know who get upset when misogyny is portrayed realistically, because acknowledging something exists is the same as supporting it, really. *rolls eyes* Truly, if we are to make any forward progress in this world, we can't pretend that nasty things aren't out there. [Itallics mine]
There is a flip-side to that last bit though. Grey's Anatomy does several things racially and genderwise that are basically not true to life but it doesn't take you out of the drama. The Times did an article on it. [link] (buffista/foamy) There's something to be said for creating an alternate reality. Arguably, it too encourages forward progress.
I'm not saying The Inside is mysoginistic. (I've only seen the one but I sincerely doubt that would be the case.) But I can see how some people would really prefer the other approach.
Consuela - Jun 11, 2005 4:20:42 pm PDT #8687 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
I got my copy of GF without a problem, in about 3 hours.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 11, 2005 4:21:30 pm PDT #8688 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
It still cracks me up that, while what you say about the show's content is absolutely true, the credits sequence would lead one to believe that the show is a Sex and the City clone. I'm flabbergasted that a show created and run by a woman, with a mostly female writing bullpen, would choose to concentrate on visual images of primping when the show itself is about a terrifically capable and determined young surgeon who's struggling to be taken seriously on her own merits.
§ ita § - Jun 11, 2005 4:30:52 pm PDT #8689 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm 50% through my second Global Freq (I thought about leaving that at GF, but let's not) attempt, using XBT client.
Matt -- the show is so not about medicine and she hasn't struggled with much other than her right to sleep with her boss in the last few eps. It's about the lives and loves of pretty people who seem to practice medicine (although highly implausible).
Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 11, 2005 4:40:05 pm PDT #8690 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Ah, so lots less concentration on the actual work they're doing since the rape victim and tumor episodes? I'd thought Meredith's troubles with acclimating to the hospital and dealing with proxy issues from her mom's reputation were going to be major thrusts of the story arc along with her lovelife. But I've only seen snippets of recent shows .
§ ita § - Jun 11, 2005 4:43:37 pm PDT #8691 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I don't think the focus is as much on her as I was expecting -- now we're involved in everyone's quest for sex. Her mother comes up once an ep, if that often, and mostly as background for her relationship with her co-workers and boyfriend. The medical cases seem to be supporting the personal drama, more than anything else.
arby - Jun 11, 2005 5:52:14 pm PDT #8692 of 10001
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)
About the Skyman vs. Simon debate, the closed captioning said Skyman. I thought it was wrong at first, having noticed that his nametag read Simon. Perhaps it was a nickname he told the Panty Sniffer.
downloading GF now
Betsy HP - Jun 11, 2005 6:11:05 pm PDT #8693 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
Isn't it more than a little reckless to shoot a suspect without warning in front of surveillance cameras that you know damned well are there because you've used them to locate said suspect?