If you want me to leave, you can put your hands on my hot, tight little body and make me.

Spike ,'Get It Done'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Consuela - Jun 09, 2005 5:52:07 am PDT #8462 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

What makes you think it'll be dropped?

What makes you think I thought it would?

IJS, I liked it but at the same time, it bothered me about the character.


DXMachina - Jun 09, 2005 5:53:32 am PDT #8463 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Web made me laugh, but he didn't make me like him. Which is what happened when Mal shot that guy in The Train Job.

Yup. Web is supposed to represent the law. Instead, he murdered a suspect. There's no excuse for that. If he resists, then you can shoot him. Rebecca ought to turn him in to Internal Affairs, or whatever the FBI equivalent is.


Sophie Max - Jun 09, 2005 5:54:23 am PDT #8464 of 10001

I loved it. Totally hooked.

What I found really interesting about the final scene, after the "Damn I did that backward" bit (Webb is evil, in a way that should make for interesting watching), was the glimpse into the relationship between Web and uhhhhhh conscience guy (Paul?). Webb tells him 'take care of it' and Conscience guy says something like "I'm on it" - and the look on his face was...interesting.

It's just - he's conscience guy, but he's also "clean-up" guy. I'm thinking that'll be an interesting tension as well.

eta: I need to find more words for 'interesting'.


Jessica - Jun 09, 2005 5:54:34 am PDT #8465 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Web made me laugh, but he didn't make me like him. Which is what happened when Mal shot that guy in The Train Job.

So far, the fact that I never liked Firefly is serving me well, it seems. I'm not seeing any of Mal in Web or Jayne in Danny, and that's just the way I like it.


Polter-Cow - Jun 09, 2005 5:55:25 am PDT #8466 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Web is supposed to represent the law.

Supposed to, yeah. But apparently he has the semi-autonomy to pick and drop cases at will. I wonder if he has actual legal immunity in some way. Whether he just thinks he's above the law or whether he actually is above the law in some ways is a point to be explored.


msbelle - Jun 09, 2005 5:56:49 am PDT #8467 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

OMG, they really don't work the FBI, it's SD-7, isn't it TIM?


Cashmere - Jun 09, 2005 5:57:33 am PDT #8468 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

I buy that she could skin one of her own hands, but the idea of then using the skinless hand to do the other and half of her face is hard to swallow.

I thought only one hand was skinned--that's what tipped Rebecca off--that the victim was left handed and her left hand was untouched.

Reading about cutters, I didn't have to suspend too much belief--folks do some crazy ass shit to themselves involving cutting, pain and blood. Yuck.

Hey, that was one of my favorite parts too.

Me, too. I wasn't expecting it and when I heard it, I yelped.


Jessica - Jun 09, 2005 5:59:06 am PDT #8469 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I thought only one hand was skinned--that's what tipped Rebecca off--that the victim was left handed and her left hand was untouched.

Ah! You're so right. Nevermind.


Emily - Jun 09, 2005 6:10:23 am PDT #8470 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

The thing for me is that different show worlds have different rules for how things work. There are things that get serious consequences in some worlds which in others are hand-waved away (I'm thinking here about Harry Potter and the extreme negligence and emotional abuse which seems to have no real effect on the emotional health of the school-age Harry -- I know it's a fantasy world, but the same general principle applies). I don't yet know enough about the Inside world to know what those rules are, and until I do I'm not going to take a stand on what Web "should" be able to do with impunity.

Which is why my response was, "Line funny" and left the fact that Web broke all kinds of legal and ethical guidelines for a later date.

That sounds preachy -- I'm not telling anybody else what their response should be, I'm just explaining why I watched him do a Very Bad Thing and chuckled at his quip.


Wolfram - Jun 09, 2005 6:11:27 am PDT #8471 of 10001
Visilurking

Holy shit, that was good television. Too good. That first episode alone could have easily been one of those Ashley Judd movie theater films, but with better dialogue and plot twists.

Two things bugged me. First, why does lascivious landlord completely miss the broken flowerpot when he, supposedly, discovered she'd packed up her stuff and left? And if he saw it, why wouldn't he throw it out? Did he already suspect foul play?

And second, during that whole Rebecca/Webb scene in the apartment, what's with the sitting around in the dark? We get that the content of the scene was dark, but it felt like they played it in the dark just for the gratuitious symbolism.

But to conclude, it sucks that regurgitated formulaic crap like L&O not only thrive but spawn on network tv, and fantastic original shows like this...well here's hoping.

P.S. Tim, if this one gets cancelled you need to talk to HBO or FX.