"by the way, east coasters -- now that you've seen it, doesn't all this hand wringing by the MSM critics about the gore seem a bit overwrought? "

Yes, Just finished watching it for the 3rd time while catching up on the posts here. Not that gory to me, but maybe I'm over-exposed to gore. Of course all the "far to gory" likely worked as the proverbial accident that people just have to look at.

Loved the whole thing. I am looking forward to more Adam and Katie time. And computer/tech guy, very fun, could do with more of him too.

The deleted scene you posted, going to DVD? And the original "jump street" -esque ep would be hilarious after 13 eps of this.

I also saw a lot of Amber Benson in Rebecca in several shots there, Amber couold easily play a "related" character.

Good, Good stuff. All in. -JadeHand

Ok, I'm hooked. And I get two toasters. The friends I invited over (since they don't have cable and don't get Fox) gently suggested on the way out that this maybe should become a weekly thing. I think one of them liked it even better than I did. I am not as much into the type of show this is as I was with the rest of the Tim and/or Joss verses. But already I love the characters and the writing. Even with those who didn't get as much air time, I see hints that I long to see develop.

she was giving me an Amber Benson vibe

I can totally see this.

I didn't see Sharon or Jayne throughout. I sure liked it when Danny loosened up towards the end. He was so much more in his element.

I've got to say, though, that the lead-in sucks. I mean, a sitcom is bad enough, but to have such a bad sitcom for the lead-in is depressing.

Damn you Tim. I did not need a another show to add to my viewing. That is another hour a week of my life gone.

However I'm going to make a prediction - just based on gut feeling. This is not just a good show (though it is that). This is a commericial success, big time. Someone is going make a boatload of money off this show; don't know how contracts for people in your position are written so I'm not predicting who, but someone is going to get really really rich. (or richer).

Damn. With the company, I forgot to tape for rewatches. I just have to say that this had better do well enough for reruns.

Bravo. I absolutely loved it.

"Lurk much"

the plain clothes comment (PLEASE tell me that Adam will be cross-dressing)

Danny calling Rebecca Clarise Starling.

"I did that backwards."

Hysterical it was.

Allyson, I regretted hearing of your death but, laughed hysterically anyway.

Yes msbelle. I kept thinking, WAIT what station is that? Where is APO? Lori said she'd laugh if Clifford the big red ball rolled by.

Did anyone else notice that the patch on Simon's shirt said Wolfram Security?

Jilli, did you happen to tape? Squeakaboo was too cranky for viewing to occur.

Cool show. I'm looking forward to more.

On the gore factor... the idea of what was done to the victims was much worse than the bit of visuals we got. I agree that CSI has considerably more ick.

"Damn, did that backwards."

I didn't laugh at the line, but I did think "woah, he is one scary dude." Not someone I'd ever want to meet IRL, but I'm fascinated by the character.

Now. Being close to the earth as I am, I will be watching the gender issues dynamics. It wasn't too terrible tonight, but given the nature of the show, I'd want to step lightly.

Yeah, that tweaked me just a little. It's funny, huh? I know Tim from here at least, and trust him, but it's sort of like when Joss' Bad Daddy issues keep popping up. Or I guess, Hitchcock's cool blonde thang. Sorry Tim.

I wonder what's tweaking me? Rebecca doesn't play as strong right off. Not like Buffy going into the alley and then the overhead shot of her doing the handstand on the pipe. That's iconic. The images that resonate are the creep man-handling her out of the train, the fucked up paternalism of Webb; the white-knightism of Paul; her pulling her gun on the wrong guy.

So yeah, she's allowed to be herself, that character, and fuck up. And yet and yet....how much time before we see her be that strong person (not told so by Webb). Already she's primarily defined by her victimhood and the child abduction. She could've used a Fred-with-bloody-fist scene at least.

Purely on the level of narrative strategy, I wonder if its worth the play to go for the arc (character moving into their strength) at the expense of the first impression (iconography/myth/impact/identification). I trust that I'll be satisfied with the character arc by the time the story has played out, but first impression felt a little sour.

And it wasn't the acting. I thought Rachel was good.

Just thinking out loud.

Loved the Allyson shout-out and the Angelesque timelapse photography. Missed the Wolfram Security SO.

Not too gory at all. Why are they all having hissyfits?

I liked the plot turns, but my credulity was strained on several points: killer is in-house; killer is manipulating a special needs panty sniffer; victim is in-house. WTF? "This time it's personal!"

I think you get one unlikely scenario like that - the rest is just jerking the plot.

Thought the dialogue was a little overripe at times. Same thing P-C noted, "Gift born in darkness..." blah blah.

Also, the whole serial killer/profiler pop mythology feels a little played out to me by now. How long ago was it I first read Red Dragon anyway? That was in the 80s. Since then, SotL, Profiler, Millenium, gradually diminishing shadows of FBI stuff. Even hanging a lantern on Clarice Starling didn't diminsh that.

Oof - that all sounds negative, but those are really just quibbles. It had all the Timmy virtues; a well-crafted narrative (by which I mean the integration of exposition with character revelation, plot turns (despite some straining at the leash), pilot type set-up, characters revealed by their actions.

I'm in.

Didn't sound negative at all! One point of clarification -- the killer wasn't in-house. He was a security guy at the Angeles transit, the place they went to sift through the transit security footage.