doesn't all this hand wringing by the MSM critics about the gore seem a bit overwrought?

Yes, indeedy, especially given how much CSI grosses me out on a regular basis.

Regarding gore, from TI's forum by "Sekkie"

"I liked it quite a bit. Some of the reservations I had about Rachel Nichols are gone--the previews didn't do her justice at all. Also, I really don't understand all the complaints about gore in the reviews. Yes, there was gore, but I've seen much worse on CSI. I liked the feel of the show a lot more than the other "cop/drama" offerings out there--but I do like my noir and my seedy underbelly, so it's a personal preference. The set up of the conflicts among the the team is promising. The show definitely has potential."

Pink!

I didn't think it was all that gory. (Not like c.s.i.)

And I agree that the subway is very pretty.

by the way, east coasters -- now that you've seen it, doesn't all this hand wringing by the MSM critics about the gore seem a bit overwrought?

Oh, hell yes. I don't get what the fuss was about at all. Like others have said, I've seen worse on CSI. Gore never gets to me, though, so I'm probably not a good judge. Ask me again if you have scenes where people are poking needles into eyes or something.

doesn't all this hand wringing by the MSM critics about the gore seem a bit overwrought?

Er, yeah. I mean, the teaser did make me jump a bit, but more jump than ew -- which is to say, when I realized what I was looking at I thought it was going to be gory, but then that was all there was.

CSI has grossed me out more, but that's not saying much, as CSI has grossed me out a lot.

I must now stop posting and decide whether to watch Red Dwarf or review exponential functions.

Ask me again if you have scenes where people are poking needles into eyes or something.

As someone who has had needles poked in her eye, it looks worse than it feels.

hand wringing by the MSM critics about the gore seem a bit overwrought?

Really overwrought. I have to say - CSI makes me avert my eyes all the time, and some of that is even sort of clinical gore, if that makes sense. This was, yeah, not pretty at points, but a lot less hard to watch than I'd been expecting.

Actually, the hardest thing for me to watch was the terrified girl on the video feed. Which, of course it's hard to watch.

Matt, don't blame Adam and Katie, for the first few eps I felt it was key to hammer home the central relationship of the show, which is a triangle. So Adam and Katie twist a little bit.

I have every confidence that Katie will wow me as her character gets more to do. Adam may be more problematic, as the counter-productively argumentative schtick really works my last nerve if it's not paired with more enjoyable character traits that earn it for me. (A similar broken record arguing-for-its-own-sake vibe even put a dent in my affection for Angel last year, and he had most of a decade as one of my all-time favorites to draw on.) But even if AB doesn't turn my initial negative reaction around, it's just one character out of five. Most shows have more than a 20% share of characters that I don't care for.

Oh, by the way, the plot was stellar.

Amy -- I had a really strong negative reaction to Web right off the bat and nothing in the episode could change that. I might have been won over by the Got it Backwards line, if I hadn't already been creeped out by the "she does what I want" line.

I had a similiar reaction to Locke on Lost, I hate him and not in the enjoyable love to hate him way but in the grating get offa my screen way.

However, this is one episode and my feelings about Web may change.

by the way, east coasters -- now that you've seen it, doesn't all this hand wringing by the MSM critics about the gore seem a bit overwrought?

Definitely. But I loved Se7en, so maybe I'm the wrong person to ask.

But the BEST thing about the show? Is Web. What a sick, ruthless bastard and I *adore* Peter Coyote in the role.

Exactly! But I like what Tim said above about it being a triangle, between Paul and Web and Rebecca. Very interesting idea.