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The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Nutty - Jun 25, 2004 4:30:48 am PDT #778 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I'm gonna stick with, when the close-quote comes right after a question mark, it's legitimate, nay, called-for, to say "asked" instead of "said". Also, I read journalism a lot. The New York Times has a lot more verve on any given day in its local news section than Michael Crichton has in a novel. In this modern age, the NYT does not necessarily eschew thesauri. I think they even have more synonyms for "said" than Elmore Leonard, although that's not saying very much.

Agreed Crichton is a crap SF writer because he's a crap writer. He's more sort of like a well-researched (or well-bullshitted) terrier with a squeaky chew-toy than he is a novelist. If I want to see someone whale the everliving tar out of an issue, in a way that isn't entertaining or enlightening, I will watch Fox News (for 30 seconds) instead.


Jesse - Jun 25, 2004 4:44:08 am PDT #779 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I think they even have more synonyms for "said" than Elmore Leonard, although that's not saying very much.

Um? Leonard famously calls for only using "said." See here


JohnSweden - Jun 25, 2004 5:05:35 am PDT #780 of 10001
I can't even.

Hi. I love Crichton. Sorry.

Huh.

t crickets

P.K. Dick, love him or hate him?

He had an amazing gift for evocative titles, and was extremely influential, and yeah, I find him hard work. But worth it. So, put me down in the Love column, but it is love like going to the gym. I like the end result, not completely crazy about the process.


§ ita § - Jun 25, 2004 5:10:26 am PDT #781 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Sometimes having, "[character] said" helps the reader keep track of who is saying what, especially in a long, intricate piece of dialog. I don't think it's necessary after every speaker says his/her bit, but it can help keep things straight. This is especially true when there are more than two characters talking.

Deb has a bit on this, and I can't do it justice. But there are a million ways to indicate who's talking.

If an author only uses one, all the time? It starts to stick out. And said's precisely the first one I'll notice, because it's the most obvious. To me -- other people obviously don't see it at all.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 25, 2004 6:39:20 am PDT #782 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

The exclusive use of "said" rather than synonyms doesn't bother me. Its frequent—nay, continuous—use is another matter.


msbelle - Jun 25, 2004 6:39:31 am PDT #783 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I've enjoyed every Crichton I've read, only about 4, I think. He's fluff fast reading, good for the summer. Never was bugged by his writing or his style.

And don't many of his stories center around a scientific plot that is not part of our current reality? so while certainly not in the mainstream of science fiction, I think that is an ok label for it. It certainly isn't fantasy. Maybe science fictiony? He's probably the closest I'd come to reading science fiction and is probably a gateway for much more mainstream bestseller readers into science fiction.


§ ita § - Jun 25, 2004 6:43:18 am PDT #784 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The exclusive use of "said" rather than synonyms doesn't bother me.

But "asked" isn't a synonym for "said." Neither is "whined" nor "cajoled."

When presented with a back and forth of A said, B said, A said, B said, A said ... I end up envisioning the two of them standing face to face, playing verbal ping pong. Throw in some action words. Some description. Are they moving? Something. Anything.

Otherwise I feel expositioned at.


Nutty - Jun 25, 2004 6:45:38 am PDT #785 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Um? Leonard famously calls for only using "said."

I think he follows his own rules about 96% of the time. His rules are pretty funny, though, and it is really cool to see that it is possible to use "he said" as pure punctuation in dialogue. I do think even Leonard might want to vary it up a little, but he's good at what he does.

We are so off-topic right now I can't see straight.


msbelle - Jun 25, 2004 6:48:34 am PDT #786 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Tim is our thread topic, but he has foresaken us for "work" or somesuch. We are forced to talk about whatever topics float in on the wind.


§ ita § - Jun 25, 2004 6:50:50 am PDT #787 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Tim writes. Tim reads. We're good.