I know I'm a bad poet, but I'm a good man. All I ask is that... is that you try to see me—

William ,'Conversations with Dead People'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Consuela - Jun 24, 2004 3:16:10 pm PDT #751 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Crichton is a poor excuse for a writer, much less an SF writer. I enjoyed Jurassic Park, mostly because it felt like a screenplay. But I also read Sphere and Congo, and they were absolute crap. No scientific plausibility to speak of.

And Andromeda Strain had almost no story, IIRC.

Hard SF writers don't necessarily sacrifice character, but the story is often driven by some scientific issue. Niven is a good example: the Ringworld stories, "Neutron Star", etc. Hal Clement is probably my favorite hard sf writer: Mission of Gravity involved a rescue mission on a planet where the gravity was about 4gs, and the residents all looked like caterpillars. It was way cool.

Vernor Vinge is a hard SF writer, and Jack McKinney. Sarah Zettel. I tend to think of CJ Cherryh as a hard SF writer in that her science is usually social science, and that's what drives the story more than pure character. If that makes any sense.


§ ita § - Jun 24, 2004 3:23:27 pm PDT #752 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Do you think that applies for the bulk of Cherryh's SF? I thought Cyteen very hard, just a soft science. Ish. But the Faded Sun and the Company Wars ones not particularly hard.

I forgot Vernor Vinge! He did my favourite aliens, a lovely concept -> character deal.


Gus - Jun 24, 2004 3:24:54 pm PDT #753 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Niven is a good example: ... Hal Clement(,) ... Mission of Gravity(,) ...Vernor Vinge ... Jack McKinney ... Sarah Zettel (!!) ...CJ Cherryh ...

Back off, geeks! This one is mine!

(eta; CjC: Not particularly hard science, but consistent, in her plebotinum. She definately works from a hard, thorough understanding of historical trends.)


Allyson - Jun 24, 2004 3:31:59 pm PDT #754 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Obviously didn't do his homework on how fruitless most genetic algorithms are....

I wonder what the thoughts are on Moon, where the plot relies on mining drinkable water in ice form under the crust.


DXMachina - Jun 24, 2004 3:42:38 pm PDT #755 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

I wonder what the thoughts are on Moon, where the plot relies on mining drinkable water in ice form under the crust.

There's this:

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Ginger - Jun 24, 2004 3:42:41 pm PDT #756 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Jack McKinney

Do you mean Jack McDevitt?


Typo Boy - Jun 24, 2004 3:46:02 pm PDT #757 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Vernor Vinge, the late Anderson, Larry Niven all hard science fiction writers who also do good charterizations and society. Many others too. But Anderson was at least much a fantasy writer as an SF writer. And the others were of a later generations who learned you could not get away with making your (non-sentient) rocket the main character. Of his generation, I think Heinlein was the only "hard" SF writer who did a decent job of characterization, universe building and society building. I should have said "of his generation" and hereby do.


Allyson - Jun 24, 2004 3:46:15 pm PDT #758 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

The core is liquid, and there is ice....but water as we know it? And drinkable? We'll give Ed a big glass and if he lives, we'll all go live on the moon.


DXMachina - Jun 24, 2004 3:52:06 pm PDT #759 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Allyson, ice is water. All you have to do is melt it.


sumi - Jun 24, 2004 3:56:04 pm PDT #760 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Well, not all water is potable.