Kaylee: You're nice, too. Mal: No, I'm not. I'm a mean old man.

'Serenity'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


aurelia - May 22, 2005 7:36:33 pm PDT #7140 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

nevermind


Allyson - May 22, 2005 7:37:17 pm PDT #7141 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I'm not sure as I write how much different I am from them in fierce devotion. I mean, sure, I saw a line.

I spent far too much of my personal time trying to save Firefly, for example. Two months, I think. It took it's toll on me and I definately had some bad moments where I went apeshit.

Strega once asked me if I didn't have anything better to do with my time. The answer was "no." I really didn't have anything better to do at the time, and it was an interesting project. I didn't expect the psychological toll it took on me.

I alternately felt stupid for spending much of my time and money to help save Tim and Joss, who are wealthier than I can wrap my brain around, and feeling stupid for getting so angry at a small group of cunts who did a lot of grousing about how we did things (but never stepped up to do anything themselves).

That's not where I ended up with it in my head, but it's how I felt for a long time. Foolish.

I wonder how some of those fans felt who were not allowed to transition their anger and grief into acceptance with the rest of the community. What makes it worse is that I think the reason this particular group felt such a gut punch is that for many of them, they suffered a great deal struggling with homophobia issues and felt some degree of comfort seeing a big gay love story unfold on television in a mostly healthy sort of way. I think it helped them in a degree that maybe wasn't so expected. A sort of Jackie Robinson sort of heroism existed for them. And then it was gone. So I understand that it was a painful thing to lose.

I can say, "this is a story. for 46 minutes, the job of the writer is to tell you a story. if you do not like the story, you are free to leave."

On the other hand, a story well-told should engage the audience. Should bring the audience into another world for that time. If the story is told in such a way as to compel strangers to search out others to discuss the story, then you've done your job really well as a writer, I think.

Where it all goes awry is when the fictional character becomes more important than your own real life, and your life becomes about being angry.

That I don't understand, and I don't really want to make fun of it. It seems too sad.


Gus - May 22, 2005 7:37:48 pm PDT #7142 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

I am not sure I understood 'Suela's post.

However. I have her back, against all comers.


SailAweigh - May 22, 2005 7:38:09 pm PDT #7143 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

It's one of the reasons I tend to stay away from ship-specific and character-specific venues.

I dropped away from all my Spike-centric boards after I found the Buffistas. I'll take my kraxy in a well-rounded manner, not the chaos I found on the other boards.


DCJensen - May 22, 2005 7:49:02 pm PDT #7144 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

Heh. So now we're well-controlled craxy chaos?


Allyson - May 22, 2005 7:51:14 pm PDT #7145 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

There's nothing creepier than FOX's disclaimer on The Inside's message board:

By posting your comments, you agree that Fox Broadcasting Company, its affiliated companies, and their successors and licensees will have the unlimited right, without charge and for no consideration, to use any portion of your comments and your first name in all media now known or hereafter created and in perpetuity [in connection with the advertising, promotion and publicity of the series or any of its episodes].

I think they should give me a little bit of consideration. I mean, really. I harness the power of the full page Variety ad, and I've been pretty considerate to them...so far.


Consuela - May 22, 2005 7:52:09 pm PDT #7146 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I am not sure I understood 'Suela's post.

Oh, Michael Shanks (who plays Daniel Jackson, the most woobiefied character on the show) left Stargate for one season, and the fandom went kerboom. There's still a lot of fallout from that in some quarters, despite the fact that the actor came back (possibly chastened, but it's hard to tell). My point was the over-investment in one character resulted in some less than entirely perspectful responses.

However. I have her back, against all comers.

Aww, thanks Gus.

I spent far too much of my personal time trying to save Firefly, for example. Two months, I think. It took it's toll on me and I definately had some bad moments where I went apeshit.

With you there, Allyson. I was really wrapped up in the Save Farscape campaign for about four or five months, and I'm surprised I didn't lose my job (looking back at it now). But I wasn't ever doing it for the creators, except in the sense that I wanted them to finish their story. I was doing it for all the people who'd gotten invested in the story and missed the chance to see the rest. And for the community that formed about the show.

I don't think it was wasted effort: like Firefly, we got something out of it, and I met some cool people. But, yeah, now, it's hard to look back at it and think all of it was time well-spent.


Gris - May 22, 2005 7:53:18 pm PDT #7147 of 10001
Hey. New board.

Rachel Nichols just keeps staring at me.
I like it.

I totally agree.


Gus - May 22, 2005 7:53:25 pm PDT #7148 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

We're well-controlled craxy chaos?

Parsing...

Parsing, again...

Bag it.


§ ita § - May 22, 2005 7:58:16 pm PDT #7149 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I do not understand those abs.