Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass.

Cordelia ,'Dirty Girls'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Allyson - May 22, 2005 7:51:14 pm PDT #7145 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

There's nothing creepier than FOX's disclaimer on The Inside's message board:

By posting your comments, you agree that Fox Broadcasting Company, its affiliated companies, and their successors and licensees will have the unlimited right, without charge and for no consideration, to use any portion of your comments and your first name in all media now known or hereafter created and in perpetuity [in connection with the advertising, promotion and publicity of the series or any of its episodes].

I think they should give me a little bit of consideration. I mean, really. I harness the power of the full page Variety ad, and I've been pretty considerate to them...so far.


Consuela - May 22, 2005 7:52:09 pm PDT #7146 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I am not sure I understood 'Suela's post.

Oh, Michael Shanks (who plays Daniel Jackson, the most woobiefied character on the show) left Stargate for one season, and the fandom went kerboom. There's still a lot of fallout from that in some quarters, despite the fact that the actor came back (possibly chastened, but it's hard to tell). My point was the over-investment in one character resulted in some less than entirely perspectful responses.

However. I have her back, against all comers.

Aww, thanks Gus.

I spent far too much of my personal time trying to save Firefly, for example. Two months, I think. It took it's toll on me and I definately had some bad moments where I went apeshit.

With you there, Allyson. I was really wrapped up in the Save Farscape campaign for about four or five months, and I'm surprised I didn't lose my job (looking back at it now). But I wasn't ever doing it for the creators, except in the sense that I wanted them to finish their story. I was doing it for all the people who'd gotten invested in the story and missed the chance to see the rest. And for the community that formed about the show.

I don't think it was wasted effort: like Firefly, we got something out of it, and I met some cool people. But, yeah, now, it's hard to look back at it and think all of it was time well-spent.


Gris - May 22, 2005 7:53:18 pm PDT #7147 of 10001
Hey. New board.

Rachel Nichols just keeps staring at me.
I like it.

I totally agree.


Gus - May 22, 2005 7:53:25 pm PDT #7148 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

We're well-controlled craxy chaos?

Parsing...

Parsing, again...

Bag it.


§ ita § - May 22, 2005 7:58:16 pm PDT #7149 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I do not understand those abs.


Gus - May 22, 2005 8:06:17 pm PDT #7150 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Sure. A world in which ita does not understand abs is a real world.

It says so here.


Polter-Cow - May 22, 2005 8:26:46 pm PDT #7151 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I totally agree.

Hot. Diggity. Damn.


Kristen - May 22, 2005 8:35:47 pm PDT #7152 of 10001

But, yeah, now, it's hard to look back at it and think all of it was time well-spent.

I feel that way about nearly every fandom-related endeavor I've worked on. It always seems like a good idea at the time. It almost always ends up feeling like a mistake.

That's not where I ended up with it in my head, but it's how I felt for a long time. Foolish.

That's still how I feel. That it was all this giant avoidance tactic I used so I didn't have to deal with scary things in my life. It took me far too long to catch on and face up to it for me to feel anything other than foolish.


P.M. Marc - May 22, 2005 8:38:32 pm PDT #7153 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

That I don't understand, and I don't really want to make fun of it. It seems too sad.

I think, maybe, a serious chapter on some of the extremes of fandom, in the same tone as your last few posts on it here, would work really well in the book. I mean, even Sedaris has serious amid the rest.

And it's a weird sort of area, people with that sort of investment. Weird, sad, and human.

For the slightly less crazy POV, at some point, I came to some grudging understanding of some of the unsouled Spike redemptionists who were *furious* about the souling when I realized through comments that a fair number of them had grown up in strict (usually Southern) religious communities, and became invested in the idea that you don't have to follow the understood paradigm of Good vs. Evil (righteous vs. sinful) to become a good person. The story they thought they were seeing was the story of themselves, and when turned out to not be that story at all, they got mental whiplash.


Consuela - May 22, 2005 8:40:08 pm PDT #7154 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

a fair number of them had grown up in strict (usually Southern) religious communities, and became invested in the idea that you don't have to follow the understood paradigm of Good vs. Evil (righteous vs. sinful) to become a good person. The story they thought they were seeing was the story of themselves, and when turned out to not be that story at all, they got mental whiplash.

Wow, that's really interesting. I have issues with the concept that you Must Be Religious to be a good person, and this sounds like it ties right into that.