Mal: Okay. She won't be winning any beauty contests anytime soon. But she is solid. Ship like this, be with ya 'til the day you die. Zoe: 'Cause it's a deathtrap.

'Out Of Gas'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


arby - Jun 22, 2004 8:28:59 am PDT #663 of 10001
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)

I like RAH. Yes, I did read him when I was young - starting with Podkayne of Mars (which I liked even more upon rereading the uncut version recently) - but I think he holds up pretty well as long as you remember to adjust your expectations for his bizarre worldview. I also like Stranger and the Lazarus Long books - Time Enough For Love, The Number of the Beast, The Cat Who Walks Through Walls, and To Sail Beyond the Sunset. I just think LL is a really great character, funny, amoral and interesting, and I like spending "time" with him. For some reason Friday also sticks in my mind, even though I didn't even like it that much and was utterly appalled by its twisted sexual mores, but I might just be remembering it more for the porny cover than anything else. The Rolling Stones and Glory Road were both pretty boring for RAH. Have not read "The Green Hills of Earth" but now I want to. Did recently read Expanded Universe which is a collection of short stories and nonfiction from the 30's through the 70's with annotations from Heinlein. Some of them were relatively crappy but it was interesting to see the evolution of his thinking/writing over 40 years. Even when I disagree with him politically, I do think he was a pretty smart man, and I liked his apocalypse preparedness tips.

Here is a site listing all of his readily available published works.

ETA if you want to be able to discuss Heinlein in educated company, you should at least read Stranger. The others all have their devotees and critics but are not as universally known as Stranger and Moon.


Typo Boy - Jun 22, 2004 11:55:32 am PDT #664 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I always thought Stranger was overrated - good in parts, but he did not really know what to do with it. Moon is my favorite of all his works. Personal opinion of course - plenty who loved Stranger. But I pretty much hated all of his later work - including Fear No Evil, Job, Time Enough For Love, Cat Who Walks Through Walls, Number of the Beast.


Kalshane - Jun 22, 2004 12:44:36 pm PDT #665 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Speaking of Number of the Beast... I can't believe all this evil was just sitting around. I had to pick it up before someone got hurt.


§ ita § - Jun 22, 2004 12:48:32 pm PDT #666 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

One should never talk of Number Of The Beast.


Allyson - Jun 22, 2004 12:49:38 pm PDT #667 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

How did you Heinlen-likers get past the silly stoopid gurls?


Kalshane - Jun 22, 2004 12:54:07 pm PDT #668 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

One should never talk of Number Of The Beast.

Ah. Sorry. It was thing. (Honestly not familiar with the book at all.)

How did you Heinlen-likers get past the silly stoopid gurls?

My friend the major Heinlein fan simply acknowledges it as a flaw in RAH's writing and ignores it. (shrugs) As I said, I haven't read enough, and none in the last 5 years or so, to really make an opinion on the subject.


arby - Jun 22, 2004 1:03:36 pm PDT #669 of 10001
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)

Yeah, I'd say that's more or less how I do it - it's the same way with the libertarianism. When I read him I go into it knowing that he has wacky ideas about women and politics, so it doesn't bother me. Plus, I like his dialogue and story-telling, so I get swept up in the story and don't worry about the stoopidity.

ETA an explanatory 'it's'

EETA I still like Number of the Beast


§ ita § - Jun 22, 2004 1:08:47 pm PDT #670 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I read NotB twice, because I didn't believe I could have hated it that much the first time.

I'm not very bright.

I felt slightly guilty when I found out his stroke affected the book, but unless everyone along the chain also suffered a stroke, there's no excuse for that imbroglio.


arby - Jun 22, 2004 1:21:28 pm PDT #671 of 10001
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)

Apparently it is one of those polarizing books. There's an amusing review on Amazon of it:

It is simultaneously clever and silly and complex and stupid.

See, that sounds like perfect Buffista material!

[snip]

The banter is somewhat reminicent [sic] of that of Dawson's Creek and Gilmore Girls (not watched by choice) - sometimes unrealistically witty. In Heinlein's defense, his four main characters are educated geniuses, not high-school students.

hee.


Allyson - Jun 22, 2004 1:23:42 pm PDT #672 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

What's the premise, ita? Is it about silly gurls who flirt with totalitarian regimes so the menfolk can start a revolution, marry their cousins, and call the town Shelbyville?