How did you Heinlen-likers get past the silly stoopid gurls?
Inara: You don't have to die alone. Mal: Everybody dies alone.
'Out Of Gas'
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[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.
Allyson - Jun 22, 2004 12:49:38 pm PDT #667 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Kalshane - Jun 22, 2004 12:54:07 pm PDT #668 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
One should never talk of Number Of The Beast.
Ah. Sorry. It was thing. (Honestly not familiar with the book at all.)
How did you Heinlen-likers get past the silly stoopid gurls?
My friend the major Heinlein fan simply acknowledges it as a flaw in RAH's writing and ignores it. (shrugs) As I said, I haven't read enough, and none in the last 5 years or so, to really make an opinion on the subject.
arby - Jun 22, 2004 1:03:36 pm PDT #669 of 10001
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)
Yeah, I'd say that's more or less how I do it - it's the same way with the libertarianism. When I read him I go into it knowing that he has wacky ideas about women and politics, so it doesn't bother me. Plus, I like his dialogue and story-telling, so I get swept up in the story and don't worry about the stoopidity.
ETA an explanatory 'it's'
EETA I still like Number of the Beast
§ ita § - Jun 22, 2004 1:08:47 pm PDT #670 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I read NotB twice, because I didn't believe I could have hated it that much the first time.
I'm not very bright.
I felt slightly guilty when I found out his stroke affected the book, but unless everyone along the chain also suffered a stroke, there's no excuse for that imbroglio.
arby - Jun 22, 2004 1:21:28 pm PDT #671 of 10001
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)
Apparently it is one of those polarizing books. There's an amusing review on Amazon of it:
It is simultaneously clever and silly and complex and stupid.
See, that sounds like perfect Buffista material!
[snip]
The banter is somewhat reminicent [sic] of that of Dawson's Creek and Gilmore Girls (not watched by choice) - sometimes unrealistically witty. In Heinlein's defense, his four main characters are educated geniuses, not high-school students.
hee.
Allyson - Jun 22, 2004 1:23:42 pm PDT #672 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
What's the premise, ita? Is it about silly gurls who flirt with totalitarian regimes so the menfolk can start a revolution, marry their cousins, and call the town Shelbyville?
arby - Jun 22, 2004 1:26:14 pm PDT #673 of 10001
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)
Nope, it's about 4 uber-brilliant scientists (all of whom are facets of Heinlein himself) who get wackily thrown into alterna-universe traveling. Hijinks (and long intellectual discussions) ensue. Here is the "book description" from Amazon again:
When two male and two female supremely sensual, unspeakably cerebral humans find themselves under attack from aliens who want their awesome quantum breakthrough, they take to the skies -- and zoom into the cosmos on a rocket roller coaster ride of adventure and danger, ecstasy and peril.
I can almost feel Allyson's blood pressure rising on reading this blurb!
(whitefonted for what may be a spoiler, can't remember since I read it over 10 years ago)
§ ita § - Jun 22, 2004 1:30:20 pm PDT #674 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Isn't there a quest for fertilisation in it, that gets discarded midway through?
DXMachina - Jun 22, 2004 1:31:34 pm PDT #675 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
I liked The Cat Who Walked Through Walls well enough, but didn't care for NotB at all.
arby - Jun 22, 2004 1:34:14 pm PDT #676 of 10001
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)
I seem to recall a lot of stuff [in NoTB] was discarded midway through. Ha, ha, "quest for fertilisation" - that sounds about right.
ETA and my reasons for liking it are becoming less and less defensible. OK, put it this way, despite its' many flaws, I still enjoyed it at age 15. Whether or not I'd still like it now, I dunno. [Makes note to reread Heinlein for the sole purpose of arguing about it with Buffistas.]