I didn't mean is, as in, like is, but rather -is-. Y'know, like Sean Connery -is- James Bond, and not that Lojah Moole guy.
Niska: Mr. Reynolds? You died, Mr. Reynolds. Mal: Seemed like the thing to do.
'War Stories'
The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.
JohnSweden - Jun 18, 2004 12:37:09 pm PDT #583 of 10001
I can't even.
Betsy HP - Jun 18, 2004 12:37:41 pm PDT #584 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
One of the founding fathers of science fiction, and his work seems to be nearly universally disliked, at least by the smart and creative folks here.
thpppbt, and I am thpppbbbting for both myself and for Tim.
JohnSweden - Jun 18, 2004 12:40:24 pm PDT #585 of 10001
I can't even.
The raspberries support Betsy in lurkmail!
Heinlein, way over-rated IMO. The cult of Heinlein and I always looked at each other kinda befuddled at sf cons, like we were speaking different, alien languages. "But, but, didn't you read X?" "Didn't YOU?"
Nutty - Jun 18, 2004 12:41:19 pm PDT #586 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
Betsty, what did Heinlein write that you liked? Or if you liked Moon, can you make an argument for why I should like it?
Allyson - Jun 18, 2004 12:45:40 pm PDT #587 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Or if you liked Moon, can you make an argument for why I should like it?
Yes please. I'd like to hear the opposing argument if you don't mind.
I didn't mean is, as in, like is, but rather -is-.
Define, "is."
Betsy HP - Jun 18, 2004 12:45:50 pm PDT #588 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
Nutty, I loved all of Heinlein when I was sixteen, so much so that I can't read him objectively now. Most people nowadays agree that if you're going to like Heinlein at all, you'll like the juveniles. Try Citizen of the Galaxy, which is often described as a sort of space-age Kim. Deb loves The Door Into Summer, which is a time-travel thriller.
Kristen - Jun 18, 2004 12:52:26 pm PDT #589 of 10001
some Chinese Take-Out and his DVDs of Profit
Hey! We should totally do this. At Tim's house, of course.
ETA: But not this weekend. I'm in Chicago until Wednesday.
Rick - Jun 18, 2004 12:58:36 pm PDT #590 of 10001
Nutty, I loved all of Heinlein when I was sixteen, so much so that I can't read him objectively now.
Consuela alluded to this too, and I think it's important. Upthread Nutty mentioned Ayn Rand. When I read her books at 14 I thought they were wonderful. Big bold ideas that were not corrupted by the tiresome world around me! By the time I got to college I could see the cruel naiveté of those ideas, but even now when I think of those books there is small residue of adolescent exuberance clinging to them. I might feel the same way about Moon if I had read it before I knew anything about people or their lives.
Tal - Jun 18, 2004 1:09:23 pm PDT #591 of 10001
"When I read her books at 14 I thought they were wonderful. Big bold ideas" this is so true iremember having the exact same thoughts at that age mostly hymn i loved it so much and now i can see how shovinist this book really is.
JenP - Jun 18, 2004 1:28:34 pm PDT #592 of 10001
I tried Moon, but I just couldn't make myself finish. I kept being annoyed by it. So, I stopped. I feel confident in saying that I wouldn't have liked it.
Totally agree that some books read at 12/14 or so wouldn't hold up so well if read again now. But I love the ones that do (duh).