Zoe: So you two were kissin'? Book: Well. Isn't that... special?

'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 1:18:55 pm PST #5108 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Now we should talk about ita's cupcakes, which (I understand) bring all the boys to the yard.


Burrell - Mar 07, 2005 1:36:41 pm PST #5109 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I hear she hoards them. The cupcakes, that is. Well, come to think of it, she may be hoarding the boys as well, but I suppose I've got me own boy, so I really don't begrudge her that.


Topic!Cindy - Mar 07, 2005 1:51:58 pm PST #5110 of 10001
What is even happening?

She hasn't got the Dutch Cocoa. She's not all that.


thegrommit - Mar 07, 2005 1:58:20 pm PST #5111 of 10001
Um.

They'd raised $3M in pledges last I read.

Which was pledged by a couple of spaceflight related companies . I don't know where their fundraising would be without those pledges.

Taking a brief detour, I'm having a hard time deciding whether Lying Pig or Lovesick Ass is my favourite Wonderfalls 'sode so far. Only have two episodes left to watch, but the DVD set was very worthwhile.


Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 1:59:26 pm PST #5112 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Lovesick Ass all the way.


Lee - Mar 07, 2005 2:03:20 pm PST #5113 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

She hasn't got the Dutch Cocoa.

Or the cake flour.


thegrommit - Mar 07, 2005 2:25:09 pm PST #5114 of 10001
Um.

Lovesick Ass all the way.

The episode was funny and sweet, but it couldn't overcome my dislike for annoying kids. I loved the mix of bitter (re: spring street vs rainbow boulevard scene) and humour (re: hotel, jaye's mum) in Lying Pig.


§ ita § - Mar 07, 2005 3:05:53 pm PST #5115 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

she may be hoarding the boys as well

I'm hoarding their pictures. Sadly, no actual boys.

And I do TOO have cake flour. I just want ALL the cake flour.


Burrell - Mar 07, 2005 3:08:06 pm PST #5116 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

But if you have all the cake flour, you have to bake all the cake. I like it when other people bake the cake and then bring it to me.

Sadly, that hasn't been happening lately, but oh well.


Consuela - Mar 07, 2005 3:42:33 pm PST #5117 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Whereas Suela, for Farscape, did everything short of putting a DVD in her garter and flashing it on streetcorners. And more power to her.

Bwah.

Hmm. I know I'm late to the party (damned filters), but.

I think the gender distribution in fandom (between shows and distributed over time) involves a variety of factors. To wit, a number of gross generalizations that influence gender distribution, I think:

  • More men than women had online access in the early years of the Internet, as it was mostly confined to high tech companies and computer departments in universities.
  • Shows with a lot of technical gee-wizzery and flashy CGI tend to draw more male fans than shows with less flashiness and more character interaction. (Also, see Nutty's comment about non-TV fandoms such as sports fandoms.)
  • The rise of mailing lists provided forums for people (i.e., women) to talk semi-privately about their obsessions that they wouldn't necessarily want to talk about in public. This goes back to the traditional image of pimpled fanboys.
  • The advent of the Web, the daylighting of fanfiction to people who don't attend cons, draws less-technically-skilled people (i.e., women) into active participation of fandom. They can participate on their own time, at their own level. They can lurk and still get the good stuff, without having to spend money or leave the house. (This is definitely my experience: without the internet, I would be a fan without a fandom.)

That's just a few, off the top of my head. Women have always been involved in fandom (See Bjo Trimble spearheading the first Trek campaign), but it took the rise of TV fandom and the easy access to other people and content (i.e., fic and commentary and resource pages) to make entire fandoms feel so overwhelmingly female.

I'm not convinced all, or even most, TV fandoms are disproportionately female. That's my experience, even in Farscape (there are and were men involved in the campaign all along, but it's true that most of the major players are female). My experience is not all of fandom: it's not cosplay or Star Wars or the fanfilm community or the convention-going groups. So I can't say for sure, but it certainly feels like fanfiction is produced by far more women than men, and I don't think that's an error of perception.

And I'm damned if I know why. I wish someone would figure it out.