Loyalty to Marti got me to tune in... once. But even Joss would have lost me if my first episode of Firefly had been THAT bad.
River: 1001. 1002. Simon: River... River: Shh. I'm counting between the lightning and the thunder to see if the storm is coming or going. .1005
'The Message'
The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.
Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 27, 2005 10:21:26 am PST #4929 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Allyson - Feb 27, 2005 10:30:06 am PST #4930 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
I hate not knowing when The Inside starts. Makes it harder to pimp it.
I am Matt in regards to Point Pleasant.
Allyson - Feb 27, 2005 10:32:06 am PST #4931 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
I gues what I don't understand is, with a staff full of really good writers who spent assload of time on great shows, what don't they understand about making a great show?
§ ita § - Feb 27, 2005 10:40:05 am PST #4932 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I am Matt in regards to Point Pleasant.
Me too! Me too!
I mean ... the premise isn't flawed (although I think it's tricky). But the writing lacked tension and the performances uniformly without charisma.
Ginger - Feb 27, 2005 10:45:27 am PST #4933 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda
I tried to watch Point Pleasant. There were excessively pretty people who spent a lot of time in skimpy swimwear. There was even Richard Burgi, whom I've had the hots for since The Sentinel. There was evil. There was the devil's daughter, whose curse appeared to be that she was born with no facial expressions. After watching three episodes, I just couldn't bring myself to watch any more.
SailAweigh - Feb 27, 2005 10:48:30 am PST #4934 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb
That's about where it lost me, too, Ginger. I tried to like it, but it failed to Charm(ed). Which, at least, I can actually watch when I accidentally catch reruns on TNT.
Matt the Bruins fan - Feb 27, 2005 10:55:16 am PST #4935 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I suppose it could work in a meta context, if we take the motif of the End of the World coming in the form of a vapid teenage girl with the inner emotional life of a cucumber.
Topic!Cindy - Feb 27, 2005 11:34:38 am PST #4936 of 10001
What is even happening?
Loyalty to Marti only kept me for the first ten minutes, despite not being as generally unhappy with her, as it seems folks are here (if we remove PP from the equation, that is). I couldn't turn the channel away from PP quickly enough.
Alibelle - Feb 27, 2005 12:33:27 pm PST #4937 of 10001
Apart from sports, "my secret favorite thing on earth is ketchup. I will put ketchup on anything. But it has to be Heinz." - my husband, Michael Vartan
I am one of the ones who is unhappy with Marti, and honestly, I think she brought a lot of the Point Pleasant-esque stuff to Buffy, which often is what made me unhappy with her. However, that said, I watch Point Pleasant. It's TERRIBLE. But I watch it all the same, and enjoy doing so, for the same reasons that my roommate enjoys watching Passions. Point Pleasant, though, is prettier than Passions, so I think I win. And I think Elisabeth Harnois and Grant Show are the best actors on there, so I think it's unfair to critique her harshly. There are way worthier targets. So, it kind of makes me sad when people wish for it to be cancelled. I mean, they could just not watch, and I'd totally understand, but actively wishing it were cancelled makes me sad, because I'd lose a few laughs a week. I mean, I'd get over it, but still.
Topic!Cindy - Feb 27, 2005 12:39:29 pm PST #4938 of 10001
What is even happening?
I don't think I've ever actively wished a show would get canned--not since I found fandom, and probably not even before. Another World? Homicide? Freaks and Geeks? (I still have a huge hate-on for NBC). They were mine, long before active participation in fandom, and they hurt more than either Firefly or Freaks and Geeks (although it may have been time for Homicide to go, I wasn't ready for it).