Oh, God. Oh, God. My hair. My hair! The government gave me bad hair!

Cordelia ,'The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Gris - Jun 07, 2004 9:38:42 pm PDT #425 of 10001
Hey. New board.

(shrug). I'm not saying my timeline is even remotely right. It's just how I think they originally intended to write her (I know they meant for Dawn to be younger at first than she eventually evolved into being, which is why the "The Real Me" Dawn is so clearly young junior-high diary-writing doesn't know about lesbian sex "I bet they have sex!"-like.

She's 12, then. That's what my brain says. I'm sticking to it.


DebetEsse - Jun 07, 2004 10:29:05 pm PDT #426 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I could see the events of S5 screwing with her schedule enough to have to repeat freshman year.

I like that wank. I think I may laminate it.


tiggy - Jun 08, 2004 2:24:10 am PDT #427 of 10001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

Aaand then Tracie Thoms was in a FedEx commercial. This is getting freaky.

I was going to post this very thing. i saw the first half hour of 5ive Days to Midnight and saw the commercial and promptly squealed. my parents thought i was crazy.

i'm wondering if Sci-Fi will rerun this anytime soon. i had something else i had to watch last night. i'm sure they probably will. what i saw was pretty good.

I am probably one of few who thinks Kari Matchett looks better as a brunette.


Polter-Cow - Jun 08, 2004 3:01:24 am PDT #428 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

i'm wondering if Sci-Fi will rerun this anytime soon. i had something else i had to watch last night. i'm sure they probably will. what i saw was pretty good.

They're rerunning Part 1 tonight at 7, followed by Part 2, which will run three times in a row, because it's on Sci-Fi.


tiggy - Jun 08, 2004 4:07:19 am PDT #429 of 10001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

very cool! thanks!


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 08, 2004 4:21:18 am PDT #430 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Call me when Lee Pace shows up.

With it being Pride Month, I imagine Soldier's Girl will be rerun on cable at some point. It'll be tough to spot Pace with those eyebrows waxed, though.


Allyson - Jun 08, 2004 5:15:45 am PDT #431 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

her occasional obnoxiousness is somewhat more believable.

Occassional? She was set up as schmuck bait but I kept wishing her into a cornfield. There was no peril for Dawn, I wanted her to Get dead GET DEAD GET DEAD.

I liked Dawn. And I *loved* Saint Cordy.

You're not my people. Saint Cordy was an abomination.


bon bon - Jun 08, 2004 5:28:11 am PDT #432 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I liked Dawn. And I *loved* Saint Cordy

Also, the only Whedon character I've never really liked in Jayne, especially in "Bushwhacked."

?land opposite in like it is What

Anyway, there's no excuse for a HS sophomore being so irritatingly immature on BtVS, given that we had an entire season populated with them. Can you imagine Dawn and Cordy being the same age? Perzactly.


Allyson - Jun 08, 2004 5:34:17 am PDT #433 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

High School Cordy would have stomped on High School Dawn.

I would have enjoyed that. Dawn brought out my inner bully. I would have relished stuffing her in a locker. She would at least have been off camera for a while. Scrappy Dawn. The Ruiner.

You're a champion, bon bon. A champion.


Topic!Cindy - Jun 08, 2004 6:01:22 am PDT #434 of 10001
What is even happening?

I didn't mind some growth in Cordelia, but I really feel she got ruined along the way. It stopped being growth, and started being personality-ectomy. I was on board with the change from the end of season 1 of Angel, through the beginning of season 2. On A:ts, Cordelia was featured too heavily to be just the snarker.

Although I did not think so at the time, in retrospect, giving the visions to Cordelia was probably the first thing I would change if I had the talent, money, production staff, and owned the rights to the show, and could somehow do a complete do-over. I think.

I know that if I were Queen of ME, I would undo the demonization of Cordelia. That burnt my ass beyond graftability. Cordelia was uber-human, and/or possibly ur-Human. Whatever...she was [some satisfyingly-gutteral-likely-Teutonic-prefix intended to exponetially emphasize her humanity]- human. CC.V2.St. Corduffy seems to me to be a direct result of the choice to lose her humanity.

Like Xander on Buffy, Cordelia served/could have served as the answer to the question "What are we fighting for?" Answer: Humans; average humans; fallible; the weak but brave, even/especially when feeling afraid humans. Demonizing Cordelia made ugly lumps in the narrative (for me) that never got smoothed over, until the 100th (of 110) episodes of the entire series.

And I think it bothered me most of all because I interpreted it as the first step in setting up an Angel/Cordelia 'ship. I was neutral (if doubtful) toward that. I know I would not have had a hard time accepting that these characters with a completely un-Normal life, who are so very physically beautiful, and so committed to their mutual cause, ended up getting together. What I would have needed to see was:

1) Some chemistry (s7) * "You're Welcome" convinced me this was possible *

2) the Buffy problem somehow addressed

First, I needed it addressed on the Angel side. There were enough times when Angel was put forth as only not being with Buffy because he couldn't be, that I needed to see the change happen. Now, Buffy's relationship with Riley could have served as his moving on point. Buffy's death could have served as his moving on point. In fact, I expected both to be just that, but it never seemed to happen. Buffy's attitude when she got back from heaven could have served as his moving on point. Learning of Buffy's affair with Spike could have served as his moving on point. I realize that to some extent, the WB's refusal to do cross-overs hampered the tying up of this storyline, but they mentioned Buffy from time to time.

I would still have needed to see it addressed from Cordelia's POV, as well. I completely understand the soul-loss clause of the curse isn't sex-based. What I would have had to see is something that indicated that Cordelia's ego could handle the knowledge that although a relationship with Buffy caused Angel such perfect happiness that he lost his soul, a relationship with her did not have the same effect. That would have required showing, not telling, and a whole big build.

Ah well. Still miss the show, horribly.