Yeah, I think it's kind of both - the patriarch/love god figure (Jubal Harshaw, etc.) is definitely a Heinlein Sue, but I do respect the fact that he was thinking outside the box in terms of what defines a family - which is liberating even if you're not a Mormon don't want to be one of his brilliant fuckbunnies.
'The Girl in Question'
The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.
There are two quotes that have stuck with me since I first read TMiaHM as a teenager:
I think the timing is key for liking Heinlein/finding him profound. I read The Green Hills of Earth as a young'un, but didn't get around to the novels until university. SF fandom had large groups of Heinlein advocates and Libertarianism was large with fandom as a result. It was too late for me. I couldn't see the RAH love, found the politics stifling and the inter-personal relationships creepy.
YRaHMV, especially if you first read him in the 60s or early 70s. I find reformed Heinlein fans defending his juveniles now, but not much else outside of Starship Troopers, Moon, and Stranger.
I think Glory Road is fun.
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I think The Green Hills of Earth and The Long Watch may have affected my world view as a youngster, more than anything else I read at the time. It's changed, of course, since then, but those two short stories have stayed with me. I can't be rational about them, because when I try to read them now, I'm overcome with all the adolescent emotion they evoked on first reading.
Stranger, Friday, and Beast, however, are a completely different pair of galoshes.
I think the timing is key for liking Heinlein/finding him profound.
Yeah. It may have helped that I read more of his short stories than the novels; it's a little easier to take it as "here's a thought... and here's a different thought" if you aren't immersed in a particular world for hundreds of pages. And I was reading a lot of Asimov and Dick around then; compared to that RAH's women would have looked pretty good.
I really appreciated the ideas when I read Heinlein -- at 14 or so, I only had two or three ideas of what marriage could be.
I don't think I settled on loving the line marriage -- instead I tried to make up other marriages. And I was too young to be thinking of the author really believing what they wrote. I believed it was all always make believe.
However, I'm older now, and I've read Number Of The Beast, and I don't think I can properly like him again. He may or may not have believed his philosophies, but he believed that was worth both writing and reading, and ick.
I've read Number Of The Beast
Cover-to-cover????
If so, ((( ita )))
I've read NotB and Friday ...can't remember much about them though.
Cover-to-cover????
Twice. Just in case.
I'm not a brackety person, but I definitely accept them in this situation, even if I brought that pain all on myself.
All I've read is Stranger and I hated it. But I read it relatively recently, a few years ago, as one of those books that you've been meaning to read for 15 years and never go to things. So there may be something to the notion that there's a time and a place for some books, and hitting it younger might've worked better.
OTOH, several of the books that a lot of people seem to consider seminal or life-changing left me cold. Catcher in the Rye, Hitchhiker, etc., so maybe it just isn't my thing.