Giles! I accidentally killed Spike. That's okay, right?

Buffy ,'Never Leave Me'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


JohnSweden - Jan 26, 2005 5:49:48 pm PST #4102 of 10001
I can't even.

There are two quotes that have stuck with me since I first read TMiaHM as a teenager:

I think the timing is key for liking Heinlein/finding him profound. I read The Green Hills of Earth as a young'un, but didn't get around to the novels until university. SF fandom had large groups of Heinlein advocates and Libertarianism was large with fandom as a result. It was too late for me. I couldn't see the RAH love, found the politics stifling and the inter-personal relationships creepy.

YRaHMV, especially if you first read him in the 60s or early 70s. I find reformed Heinlein fans defending his juveniles now, but not much else outside of Starship Troopers, Moon, and Stranger.


Betsy HP - Jan 26, 2005 6:05:34 pm PST #4103 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I think Glory Road is fun.

t glares around suspiciously


Beverly - Jan 26, 2005 9:59:16 pm PST #4104 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I think The Green Hills of Earth and The Long Watch may have affected my world view as a youngster, more than anything else I read at the time. It's changed, of course, since then, but those two short stories have stayed with me. I can't be rational about them, because when I try to read them now, I'm overcome with all the adolescent emotion they evoked on first reading.

Stranger, Friday, and Beast, however, are a completely different pair of galoshes.


Strega - Jan 27, 2005 12:44:30 am PST #4105 of 10001

I think the timing is key for liking Heinlein/finding him profound.

Yeah. It may have helped that I read more of his short stories than the novels; it's a little easier to take it as "here's a thought... and here's a different thought" if you aren't immersed in a particular world for hundreds of pages. And I was reading a lot of Asimov and Dick around then; compared to that RAH's women would have looked pretty good.


§ ita § - Jan 27, 2005 3:56:39 am PST #4106 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I really appreciated the ideas when I read Heinlein -- at 14 or so, I only had two or three ideas of what marriage could be.

I don't think I settled on loving the line marriage -- instead I tried to make up other marriages. And I was too young to be thinking of the author really believing what they wrote. I believed it was all always make believe.

However, I'm older now, and I've read Number Of The Beast, and I don't think I can properly like him again. He may or may not have believed his philosophies, but he believed that was worth both writing and reading, and ick.


Tom Scola - Jan 27, 2005 5:07:13 am PST #4107 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

I've read Number Of The Beast

Cover-to-cover????

If so, ((( ita )))


evil jimi - Jan 27, 2005 5:14:32 am PST #4108 of 10001
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

I've read NotB and Friday ...can't remember much about them though.


§ ita § - Jan 27, 2005 5:24:27 am PST #4109 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Cover-to-cover????

Twice. Just in case.

I'm not a brackety person, but I definitely accept them in this situation, even if I brought that pain all on myself.


brenda m - Jan 27, 2005 5:35:41 am PST #4110 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

All I've read is Stranger and I hated it. But I read it relatively recently, a few years ago, as one of those books that you've been meaning to read for 15 years and never go to things. So there may be something to the notion that there's a time and a place for some books, and hitting it younger might've worked better.

OTOH, several of the books that a lot of people seem to consider seminal or life-changing left me cold. Catcher in the Rye, Hitchhiker, etc., so maybe it just isn't my thing.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 27, 2005 5:46:10 am PST #4111 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Now I'm afraid to finally go and read that copy of Citizen of the Galaxy that's been sitting in a storage box for 15 years.