When you say tolerable, you mean tolerable by people not in prison, right? I mean, I'd say it's expected.
Mal: You tell me right now, little Kaylee, you really think you can do this? Kaylee: Sure. Yeah. I think so. 'Sides, if I mess up, not like you'll be able to yell at me.
'Bushwhacked'
The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.
§ ita § - Dec 03, 2004 9:36:00 am PST #3362 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Consuela - Dec 03, 2004 9:40:15 am PST #3363 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
Maybe I was confused, then, and it was that men are the most often the perpetrators of violent crime.
It's possible that the relative proportion of aggressors to victims is higher among men than it is among women. By which I mean, out of a hundred men, 10 might be aggressors and 20 might be victims, whereas out of a hundred women 3 might be aggressors and 15 might be victims. (And the victims and aggressors sets may overlap, as well.)
Does that make sense? And I pulled those numbers out of my ass, just for hypothetical purposes.
Betsy HP - Dec 03, 2004 9:43:29 am PST #3364 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
I mean, I'd say it's expected.
That's the point. The common wisdom thinks it's not only tolerable but good for criminals to rape one another in prison. You hear jokes made about convicted criminals getting raped. Prison rape shocks the conscience less than civilian rape.
I think it shouldn't. I think we shouldn't turn a blind eye to prisoners raping each other (and guards raping prisoners) any more than to their murdering each other.
§ ita § - Dec 03, 2004 9:45:52 am PST #3365 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
The common wisdom thinks it's not only tolerable but good for criminals to rape one another in prison.
Hmm. Your common wisdom is harsher than mine. I do see it as "a bonus reason to not go to jail," but it's not the only one -- shanking and other illegal things that happen there are int he same box in my head.
Betsy HP - Dec 03, 2004 9:46:52 am PST #3366 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
Your common wisdom is harsher than mine.
Look at all the jokes that were made about Martha Stewart's cellmate.
§ ita § - Dec 03, 2004 9:52:18 am PST #3367 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Look at all the jokes that were made about Martha Stewart's cellmate.
Perhaps my not having seen any jokes about her cellmate reflects the composition of my common wisdom.
I've interpreted it as expected, near inevitable, but to be avoided by not going to jail, just like selling yourself for extra cigarettes or being stabbed in the shower for looking at the NOI guy wrong.
That's all. I'm not challenging your conventional wisdom. I'm explaining mine.
DXMachina - Dec 03, 2004 9:53:34 am PST #3368 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
Look at all the jokes that were made about Martha Stewart's cellmate.
Coincidently, Sean just posted the lyrics to the song "Date Rape" over in Bitches that talks about it, too.
Sean K "Spike's Bitches 20: We'll catch the Natterers yet." Dec 3, 2004 10:36:28 am PST
That's the way it had to be.
They locked him up and threw away the key.
Well, I can't take pity on men of his kind,
even though he now takes it in the behind.
(eta: Nevermind...)
Strega - Dec 03, 2004 9:54:22 am PST #3369 of 10001
Nope, the DOJ just started a survey to track prison rape in 2003. There's been no national study before, but there have been statewide studies that suggest the number is pretty high.
Allyson - Dec 03, 2004 9:55:52 am PST #3370 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Jim Goad did a piece on prison rape in Answer Me! years ago that I remember reading. Will try and dig up...
aurelia - Dec 03, 2004 9:56:41 am PST #3371 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
Right now, his mold to me (Firefly notwithstanding) is X-Files. So creepy, dark, FBI? Check.
Yep. When he appeared on Angel my reaction was "OMG, Knowle Rohr!"