Okay, did any of you see The Incredibles? Because there's totally two Firefly-like moments where characters get sucked into turbines and killed.

Funny but weird to see in an animated movie aimed at kids.

I just got back from it, Kat. I enjoyed the movie, though during some parts, I had an empathy twinge or two for the people who'd brought all the fairly young kids, because, yeah ... death by turbine. And electro-shock torture. I mean, brief, and all, but still. But I didn't have a kid in tow, so I didn't dwell. Fun little movie. The character of E just had me laughing. I am so easily manipulated.

There was a shout out to one of the Star Wars movies, too, which made me laugh out loud. Me and maybe one other person.

My kids said, in the abstract, "Gosh, that was a weird thing to have in a kids' movie", but they weren't troubled. I said, "Hey, Bambi's mom died", but they said "Yeah, but she wasn't sucked into a turbine."

Yeah but if they'd had turbines back then, I bet the Bros. Grimm or H.C. Andersen would've had one of their characters killed in that way...cos, cool.

Jimi, undoubtedly, the Bros Grimm would have let someone get sucked into a turbine. But animated movies as I've seen them have been about watering it down. It did make me laugh so damned hard. Beware the cape!

It was such a wicked, loving deconstruction of a stereotype. I also loved You caught me monologing!

We had a little mini-TWoPcon over here, and one of the girls remarked that Tim Minear was probably her favorite writer, ever. And then we babbled about how much we loved "Out of Gas" and "Karma Chameleon." She suggested Tim should get a reality show where he takes over other people's Friday night death slot shows. So Tim, if you pass by, you got fans.

I wanted to see The Incredibles already, but now I want to see it even more for the Firefly whitefont. Damn you all.

I also loved You caught me monologing!

I loved that bit. As far as the violence level goes, it seems to be about the same as in any of the Star Wars films, and most of the kids have probably seen them already. Also, I think animators can probably get away with a bit more than they could if they were making a live action picture.

DX ... it's not so much the violence but the fact the character is apparently killed . I mean, how many times has Daffy Duck taken a shotgun blast to the face and hardly anyone bats an eyelid. However, if one of those blasts actually blew his head apart and killed him, then their would be a hell of an uproar.

I understand that, but it was still played for laughs, which makes a difference, at least to me. And again, it wasn't a whole lot different than the violence in Return of the Jedi.