Ah but see, Jars, you got to see the actual pilot. The actual pilot, I think, would have hooked me more than "The Train Job." There were more space hijinks, plus the River mystery was more at the forefront.

If they would have promoted Serenity as a two-hour "event" launch of the series, and all the usual trappings, I daresay we would have gotten at least a whole season, if not starting to complain about the upcoming holiday mini rerun hell for Season 3 in December.

So, if we want to, we can think of the Serenity movie as the Season 3 finale...

Loathe as I am to say anything positive about the decision making process at Fox, I've found that people who've never watched Buffy or Angel respond far better to The Train Job than to Serenity. People who have heard of Joss and Tim and enjoyed their other stuff are far more willing to go with the pace of Serenity.

Really? Cause that was the most "Episode one bored." I've ever been, ever. With all due respect to Minear, of course. Cause he does it for real and I'm just some bitch talking to her TV about how she can do better than that while watching L&O 7 million.

I think perhaps showing a 2-hr pilot is just a bad idea. Made my best friend watch Serenity a few months ago, and it took her a bit to get into it.

And I couldn't win her over for the series because she kept running into "Why don't they have energy weapons?" and wouldn't drop it. I grow so tired of fanwanking that. ("Well you see, the parts for plain old firearms are cheaper" - and her argument was "But that's like us using rare antiques." "Well no they aren't ORIGINAL six-shooters they're modernized replicas, see...")

...dropped in to say a thing and then will add two others based on posts way up earlier -

1. SO excited about new show! Like, made noise, had to explain to boyfriend why. (But the statement [ Tim + Jane ] was simple enough for him to understand.)

2. Happy belated birthday, Tim!

3. Re: Matt's statement that [ Tim + Jane = Joss ] and the subsequent allegations that [ Joss never existed ], I thought we had already established, per Shawn and Tom, that [ I am Joss. ] I'm sure some people are tired of that very old joke but I never cease to find it funny, mostly because Shawn and Tom are such brilliant writers.

I seriously have yet to find anyone who doesn't at least like the show a lot, once they see it.

• cough*I didn't like it.*cough*

Now, admittedly, I watched maybe an episode and a half. But nothing drew me in enough to give it another chance.

But nothing drew me in enough to give it another chance.

Not even Simon's pretty face and Mal's tight pants? Are you even human?

To each their own, I guess.

Well, I can recognize the pretty. I may be an impatient consumer of the new millinieum, but I'm not dead.

I just didn't have the devotion and determination to wait for the show to ping something in me. I thought it was just me at first, but my dad -- who started me on my path toward sci-fi, horror, etc. fandom as a wee youth and, watched or watches Buffy, Angel, Alias and Stargate, among other shows -- also couldn't get into it.

I'm like this about a lot of things people tell me are acquired tastes, actually. Coffee, tea, assorted foods, etc. If I can't appreciate it and enjoy it the first time, I might give it another shot, and if it still doesn't work for me, why keep putting myself through that?

I'm probably the poster child for why the show didn't get a chance to catch on, actually. I've missed a few episodes of Lost, but that I get. Plane go boom, leftover people try to survive. I missed the first couple episodes of Firefly, and it just didn't work for me.

I'm currently downloading the first episode of Lost, so in 48 minutes or so, I'll be able to tell you whether I get it or not. But Firefly I got like nothing before or since. Magic, I suppose.

I've never seen Lost, and I've never seen the Firefly dvd's. I liked Firefly and I would have kept on watching it, but I didn't fall in love with it. I enjoyed it. But the only reason I sat through "The Train Job" to the end was because of Joss and Tim. I was also really looking forward to a second season, since those have consistently been my favorites, easily, of the other ME productions. So I had that to entice me to keep watching as well. But I don't really feel the loss of the Firefly dvd's in my life, and I probably won't mind waiting until Amazon decides to sell those for $14.99, too.