Mom! Dead people are talking to you. Do the math!

Buffy ,'Showtime'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Mr. Broom - Sep 29, 2004 12:06:58 pm PDT #2365 of 10001
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

My sourness is based on the completely unnecessary Phantom Menace. So much of that could've been excised entirely and the rest put on as introduction to Ep. II and we could've gotten a Clone Wars flick. In that case, at least, the pretty graphics would be expected to take center stage.

Lucas has lost his damn mind. He wants to make a series because he sees a way to broaden his base, but he no longer has any respect for the cohesiveness of his creation, so anything his does from this point on is weird, tangential tripe. Still, Tim could save it easily. That's how much respect I have for the man.


Barry Woodward - Sep 29, 2004 12:07:43 pm PDT #2366 of 10001
I fought the law and I won!

I'm curious what you meant when you said "they don't hold to their own internal logic" because I've heard many things said about them but I've never heard that before. I'll admit I like the prequels (I hope people don't dismiss my taste because of that). I think Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, Ian McDiarmid and Christopher Lee have put in great performances and I'd argue that Hayden Christenson (I know some love to bag on him for his performance) did a fantastic job in Clones. I liked Jar Jar Binks and I don't think The Phatom Menace was a waste.


Kristen - Sep 29, 2004 12:22:26 pm PDT #2367 of 10001

Well Tim did say Jar-Jar was his bitch.

ETA: Or was it the other way around?


Betsy HP - Sep 29, 2004 12:22:34 pm PDT #2368 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Well, for instance, midichlorians are inborn, but the Jedi are a celibate order. No wonder there are so few of them.


Barry Woodward - Sep 29, 2004 12:35:46 pm PDT #2369 of 10001
I fought the law and I won!

Barry Woodward - Sep 29, 2004 12:36:03 pm PDT #2370 of 10001
I fought the law and I won!

"Well, for instance, midichlorians are inborn, but the Jedi are a celibate order. No wonder there are so few of them."

Yes, midichlorians can be passed on through the generations but that's not the only way obviously. Regular parents can have kids that are strong in the Force as well, and when that occurs the Jedi take them at a young age and train them. It's like in the real world, two highly intelligent parents can give birth to a highly intelligent kid but two parents of average intelligence can also give birth to a highly intelligent kid. Also, I'd like to point out, I don't think we as the audience are meant to agree with how the Jedi operate. Their overconfidence and tradition proved to be their downfall. I think a key difference between the prequels and originals is family. The Jedi want their followers to sever all ties to the world because they believe that makes them stronger but what George Lucas will show in Episode III is that policy simply doesn't work. Family and friends is what helped Luke succeed where Anakin failed.


Betsy HP - Sep 29, 2004 12:40:13 pm PDT #2371 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Regular parents can have kids that are strong in the Force as well, and when that occurs the Jedi take them and train them.

Right. So they're systematically removing kids with midicholirans from the breeding population.

Imagine if all college graduates were joining the Catholic priesthood.


Allyson - Sep 29, 2004 12:41:33 pm PDT #2372 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

How about Tim?

I read Herc's suggestion of either Tim or Jane.

I felt immediately protective of both and put an Anti-Lucas voodoo perimeter around their homes.


tommyrot - Sep 29, 2004 12:45:54 pm PDT #2373 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

So what about Phantom Menace and Clones contradicts the original trilogy?

I mean, there's some dumb shit like how Obi Wan supposedly squirreled away Luke to Tatoine (and then hid there himself) because Tatoine was so far away from civilized space. But then it turns out that Vader grew up on Tatoine, and in fact knows Luke's adoptive parents. And you'd think that when Vader ran into C3-PO at Lando's place, he'd at least go, "Hey threepio, how's it going?" considering that be built the fucker.

So there's stuff that now makes little sense... anything else? What is directly contradicted by Phantom Menace and Clones?


Betsy HP - Sep 29, 2004 12:50:24 pm PDT #2374 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Amidala is Queen, but it's an elective office?

What kind of nutso planet elects a teenager to wield supreme executive power? And why would you use the title and costume of inherited nobility for an elective office?