I am not...I am not the damsel in distress. I am not some case. I have to work this. I've lived in a cave for 5 years in a world where they killed my kind like cattle. I am not going to be cut down by some monster flu. I am better than that. What a wonder...how very scared I am.

Fred ,'A Hole in the World'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


amych - Aug 19, 2004 11:25:36 am PDT #1711 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Is there a non-offensive term?

Biracial seems to be used pretty neutrally, at least to my ear. I could be wrong, of course.


§ ita § - Aug 19, 2004 11:29:16 am PDT #1712 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Bi-racial and mixed work. Except I'm technically both, but actually not what anyone usually means by either term.

How would you describe someone half Asian, half white? Or half Asian, half black? Do you need a different word? Why?

The black/white terms touch some really historically breeding program bad places.


-t - Aug 19, 2004 11:36:52 am PDT #1713 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Is there a non-offensive term?

Biracial seems to be used pretty neutrally, at least to my ear. I could be wrong, of course

Different people definitely have different acceptability thresholds. A Creole friend of mine was dating a woman who had a Black mother and an Irish father. She used to tell him he shouldn't consider himself biracial for complicated cultural reasons.

This same friend once read someone the riot act for asking him if he was a mulatto. It was quite a rant. Might have been the root of my discomfort with the DQ creation, come to think of it.


Rick - Aug 19, 2004 11:37:08 am PDT #1714 of 10001

I'm not sure that we have a satisfactory term at this point. In research projects, if you ask teenagers/young adults for their racial/ethnic background an increasingly high percentage say that none of the standard categories fit. People who have one parent who self-identifies as Black and one parent who self-identifies as White seem comfortable with Biracial as a term because they have one parent from each race. But people who have two mixed-race parents often don't see themselves as Biracial, because their parents don't come from different cultural or racial backgrounds. They prefer 'other.'


Kat - Aug 19, 2004 11:44:04 am PDT #1715 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

How would you describe someone half Asian, half white?

for me, someone to whom it applies, I go with hapa or bi-racial or mixed.

Or half Asian, half black? Do you need a different word? Why?

Don't need a different word. again, for my world.

They prefer 'other.'

HATE other. HATE it a lot, primarily because it's so... well, yucky. "Oh, you can't conceive of what I am? I am other."

Thank god on the census you can just pick as many races as apply to you.


Invisible Green - Aug 19, 2004 11:44:28 am PDT #1716 of 10001

How would you describe someone half Asian, half white? Or half Asian, half black? Do you need a different word? Why?

I have a friend who's half white, a quarter black, and a quarter asian. She considers herself to be "Caublasian."


Nutty - Aug 19, 2004 11:45:37 am PDT #1717 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

As I recall, the Census Bureau has the damnedest time trying to deal with race/ethnicity. It's important to quantify, because it can change congressional districting and federal funding, and like that, but incredibly hard. The census in 2000 was the first one with "mixed race" as a category, right? And I don't believe it asked you to break it down beyond that. (The Other box was still available.)

Over the years, they've tried all manner of ways to quantify Hispanics/Latinos/people of South and Central American heritage, as a category overlapping with race. If they said only "Hispanic", then people from Spain did check the box, but people from Brazil didn't. At one point in the late 70s, they used the term "South American", until they realized Anglo white people in Alabama were checking that box in all innocent error.

It's an ongoing conundrum.


§ ita § - Aug 19, 2004 11:48:50 am PDT #1718 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Problem with the term black is that it's do damned catching, what with the one drop rule. So for many, if you can tell there's black blood -- the person's black. "Mixed" is held by some to be having airs. Except -- why? It's just true, right? But does it apply after four generations of mixing? I may be tri-racial by now. But black, still. Because my parents are black (enough), and theirs are also black (enough).

And then there are black people who won't admit to having any white blood, because the only way it could have gotten into their ancestry is by acts of possession and brutality. And therefore I shouldn't either.


-t - Aug 19, 2004 11:52:01 am PDT #1719 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

The 2000 census actually left a blank you could fill in, at least in the form that I got. I remember, b/c I went ahead and listed all the countries anyone in my family tree was from, and DH wrote "Jewish Lithuanian".

That's gotta be hell to try to tabulate, though.

The "South American" thing reminds me of a friend who was collecting data over the telephone that included race. one of the options was "Native American". Almost everyone she talked to picked that one. She was surveying Pittsburgh. She very much doubted the accuracy of her results.


Trudy Booth - Aug 19, 2004 12:44:07 pm PDT #1720 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

How would you describe someone half Asian, half white?

Often? Totally. Freakin. Hot.

I wonder how much of the (grossly offensive, mind you) erroticization of the tragic ~oons came out of the often hottitude of those who are mixed race.