Flames wouldn't be eternal if they actually consumed anything.

Lilah ,'Not Fade Away'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Allyson - Aug 18, 2004 6:20:38 pm PDT #1668 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

It's soft serve ice cream and coffee. I don't think that anyone at DQ had a clue. And that's all there is to it. Someone will get fired and someone will issue an apology and that's all there is to it.


Allyson - Aug 18, 2004 6:23:13 pm PDT #1669 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Daniel, who gives a shit about giving assholes another epithet? They were assholes before the vocabulary increase, and it doesn't increase their assholeness, it increases their vocab.


Invisible Green - Aug 18, 2004 6:39:59 pm PDT #1670 of 10001

The school play when I was in 8th grade (1978) was West Side Story. I had to ask what Mick, Spic, and Wop meant.

What do Mick and Wop mean?

I just learned spic last year, when there was a "racial incident" on my campus. (And it wasn't even a real incident - the guy made up the story himself to get attention or something.)

I learned mulatto and mesquito (sp?) in elementary school history. So I'm pretty sure those aren't negative ones, cuz we were even tested on knowing those terms.

I never realized "gypped" came from that context (or even that it was spelled with a "y").

Hmm...Racial slurs are strangely interesting.


Jon B. - Aug 18, 2004 6:47:30 pm PDT #1671 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I learned mulatto and mesquito (sp?) in elementary school history. So I'm pretty sure those aren't negative ones, cuz we were even tested on knowing those terms.

Hahaha! Sorry. I still remember how the American History textbook at my high school referred "sun-basking Spanish Americans", and to Native Americans as "near-naked savages." We and the teachers were smart enough to know it was offensive and to discuss it in that context, but I strongly suspect many other schools let it slip by. Which is to say, just because a teacher was ignorant doesn't mean it's not offensive.

Oh, Mick = Irish
Wop = Italian


brenda m - Aug 18, 2004 6:48:26 pm PDT #1672 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Mick = Irish

Wop = Italian

Neither are very nice, though I'd say that wop carries a greater blow. I might joke with an Irish person about being a mick - I wouldn't go there with wop.

Mulatto is more negative in what it implies (along with quadroon, octoroon, etc.) that there's something meaningful about your percentage of white blood. I'm not sure I'd call these outright offensive (though I'm not someone likely to hear them directed at me, so take that for what it's worth) but insensitive? Yeah. Harking back to a perception of race that would be better left behind? Oh yeah.


dcp - Aug 18, 2004 6:53:13 pm PDT #1673 of 10001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

mesquito (sp?)

I think you mean mestizo.

From Dictionary.com: A person of mixed racial ancestry, especially of mixed European and Native American ancestry.


brenda m - Aug 18, 2004 6:56:51 pm PDT #1674 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

FWIW, I've mostly know mestizo to be used in Mexico/ Central America, and it doesn't seem to have the same negative overtones. IME, anyway. That might have something to do with being applicable to a fair majority of the population, so it seems more descriptinve than perjorative.


dcp - Aug 18, 2004 6:58:19 pm PDT #1675 of 10001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

And the French/Amerind version is "Métis."


§ ita § - Aug 18, 2004 7:00:25 pm PDT #1676 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

To me it is.

Then I'm happy for you. However, in the rest of the world, it's not necessarily the same -- including for actual mulattoes.

It is used, and often not nicely, and just because you haven't heard it, doesn't mean it isn't real and rude.

What do you want to reclaim next? Nigger? Cunt? Spic? Fat slob? Republican? Retard? Shylock?

If there's going to be a movement to dull the edge of "mulatto," DCJ, it's not going to be led by you, and I don't think you get to pick when it starts.


Allyson - Aug 18, 2004 7:06:41 pm PDT #1677 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Doing my best to reclaim cunt.