Hey, man, where are my pants? I have my hippo dignity!

Oz ,'Bring On The Night'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Jon B. - Aug 18, 2004 6:47:30 pm PDT #1671 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I learned mulatto and mesquito (sp?) in elementary school history. So I'm pretty sure those aren't negative ones, cuz we were even tested on knowing those terms.

Hahaha! Sorry. I still remember how the American History textbook at my high school referred "sun-basking Spanish Americans", and to Native Americans as "near-naked savages." We and the teachers were smart enough to know it was offensive and to discuss it in that context, but I strongly suspect many other schools let it slip by. Which is to say, just because a teacher was ignorant doesn't mean it's not offensive.

Oh, Mick = Irish
Wop = Italian


brenda m - Aug 18, 2004 6:48:26 pm PDT #1672 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Mick = Irish

Wop = Italian

Neither are very nice, though I'd say that wop carries a greater blow. I might joke with an Irish person about being a mick - I wouldn't go there with wop.

Mulatto is more negative in what it implies (along with quadroon, octoroon, etc.) that there's something meaningful about your percentage of white blood. I'm not sure I'd call these outright offensive (though I'm not someone likely to hear them directed at me, so take that for what it's worth) but insensitive? Yeah. Harking back to a perception of race that would be better left behind? Oh yeah.


dcp - Aug 18, 2004 6:53:13 pm PDT #1673 of 10001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

mesquito (sp?)

I think you mean mestizo.

From Dictionary.com: A person of mixed racial ancestry, especially of mixed European and Native American ancestry.


brenda m - Aug 18, 2004 6:56:51 pm PDT #1674 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

FWIW, I've mostly know mestizo to be used in Mexico/ Central America, and it doesn't seem to have the same negative overtones. IME, anyway. That might have something to do with being applicable to a fair majority of the population, so it seems more descriptinve than perjorative.


dcp - Aug 18, 2004 6:58:19 pm PDT #1675 of 10001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

And the French/Amerind version is "Métis."


§ ita § - Aug 18, 2004 7:00:25 pm PDT #1676 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

To me it is.

Then I'm happy for you. However, in the rest of the world, it's not necessarily the same -- including for actual mulattoes.

It is used, and often not nicely, and just because you haven't heard it, doesn't mean it isn't real and rude.

What do you want to reclaim next? Nigger? Cunt? Spic? Fat slob? Republican? Retard? Shylock?

If there's going to be a movement to dull the edge of "mulatto," DCJ, it's not going to be led by you, and I don't think you get to pick when it starts.


Allyson - Aug 18, 2004 7:06:41 pm PDT #1677 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Doing my best to reclaim cunt.


§ ita § - Aug 18, 2004 7:07:47 pm PDT #1678 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Doing my best to reclaim cunt.

Seeing as you have one? You get to go to the front of the line on that one. Or ahead of DCJ, anyway.


DCJensen - Aug 18, 2004 7:13:40 pm PDT #1679 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

Not trying to reclaim mulatto. Not trying to lead anything. Just voicing concern. Not sure what makes me unfit to lead it if I were inclined to try...

Not even planning on saying anything more on this topic, because no matter how well intentioned my efforts, I just keep getting drawn into a whole subject area too many people are uncomfortable with.


§ ita § - Aug 18, 2004 7:17:41 pm PDT #1680 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Not sure what makes me unfit to lead it if I were inclined to try...

Because you don't understand the word. Because you don't know it's even in current usage.

I thought the term Yank would be a simple thing to call US citizens. No, I was told, it has attachments you just don't get, it won't do, and no matter how often I explain that to the people outside, the ones using it don't get those subtleties, it DOESN'T MATTER. It's not my call.

Perhaps there are no epithets that affect you. Which is a very strong position to be in, a position we should all be in. I just don't think you know the way out of a place you've never been in.

I just keep getting drawn into a whole subject area too many people are uncomfortable with.

Which territory is that, and which people?