I thought Angel tricked Drogyn, because Drogyn can't lie.

Argh. You people had to get all chatty, close out one thread, and start a new one while I was sitting in the dentist's chair. No consideration, I tell ya. *snerk*

Teeth drilling, not so good. Last night's ep (upon further reflection), wonderful. My allergies acted up watching it again. Wes' expression as he raised his hand was heartbreaking; he's ready for this. Though I don't believe that he will be the one that makes the ultimate sacrifice. Death is what he longs for, and ME has a funny sense of humor about that. A character will never get what he hopes and prays for, because it's not angsty enough. There's no conflict. Joss has just enough evil in him to let Wes live so he can forever remain a tortured soul. Death is the easy way out.

How cool was it that Spike raised his hand first? Despite the bickering and the affected nonchalance, he's right by Angel's side when it comes down to it. THEIRS is a forever love. The apocalypse isn't going to change that.

Whee! The MoG have the mission back. Now if the new and improved Connor would only show up in the finale...well, life wouldn't be grand because the frelling show is cancelled, for Christ's sake, but it would be decent. Until I start thinking about network idiots, and start ranting and raving all over again.

Edit: Super x-posty with connie and victor on Spike raising his hand first. Ahh, the hive-mind at work.

Drogyn cannot lie when asked directly. This does not mean he cannot tell selective truth when he is not asked directly. Still technically not lying.

I'm just putting it out there as a possibility, because that would explain the fact Angel is willing to kill him.

Nothing more substantial than trying to wank up an explaination.

Edit: Drogyn, not Frogyn. Sigh.

I was a little disappointed that The Immortal wasn't mentioned and doesn't seem to playing any role in next week's episode. That's going to reflect badly on the hour I spent on Angel last week.

And I don't think Drogyn's dead. Even Angelus wasn't able to kill any "good" guys this last time around. I doubt Angel could justify it even for the greater good.

Unlike (24 spoiler) Prez Palmer and Jack Bauer.

That's going to reflect badly on the hour I spent on Angel last week.

Ayup. The A plot was strange in tone, and unintegrated in terms of content.

Spike had to raise his hand first. He's already killed himself to stop a wave of evil. And he loved it.

It occurs to me that making the Senior Partners think he willingly sacrificed Fred to spring an Old One might be a very handy bluff for Angel in terms of keeping them off his back after the circle buys it. We know he'd never sacrifice an innocent to call forth another, but our trio of Mr. Burnses might not think that way if he seems sufficiently ignoble in the fight against them. So far as I'm aware, Jasmine and Illyria are the only things they've ever seemed personally nervous about.

What did Lindsey say, specifically, about Black Thorn? Because as some are positing, he wanted to join Black Thorn to bring them down, just like Angel. Which would make more sense to me than wanting to join for the power, as I initially thought.

Frogyn cannot lie when asked directly. This does not mean he cannot tell selective truth when he is not asked directly. Still technically not lying.

I'm just putting it out there as a possibility, because that would explain the fact Angel is willing to kill him.

Hey now - I wanked first! Um.

Take a closer at look at Drogyn just before he was bitten. Not only has his hair thinned, it's changed colour. I read his last "thank you" as gratefulness for the end of his life.

Frogyn cannot lie when asked directly.

Now I'm imagining wee puppet man Angel draining Kermit before snapping his neck. Hee.