You'll fight, and you'll shag, and you'll hate each other till it makes you quiver, but you'll never be friends.

Spike ,'Sleeper'


Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?  

[NAFDA] This is where we talk about the show! Anything that's aired in the US (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though -- if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Steph L. - Jan 06, 2005 9:15:31 am PST #2960 of 3531
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

To be fair, my "eh" was because I just don't think FF is all that, which is why I don't think it has a high batting average (but in cricket).

Did you even watch the whole show? You cannot be "eh" about "War Stories" or "Out of Gas" or "Objects In Space."

I did, in fact, watch the whole show (not the unaired ones on the DVDs, because why would I buy DVDs of a show I didn't like), including "War Stories," "Out of Gas," and "Objects In Space." (What I got from those episodes, essentially, was very, very tense.)

Don't tell me what I can't do.

I was telling Teppy what to do.

Of the two of us, which one is the boss of me? t /S3 Willow


Topic!Cindy - Jan 06, 2005 9:15:49 am PST #2961 of 3531
What is even happening?

but can we compare Buffy s1 with Firefly's entire run, because then they're more equal in length terms? and what do we prize in a season anyway? arcs or brilliant episodes?) at least.
Firefly's acting was much more fine tuned out of the gate than was BtVS's. I suspect the writing was too, although both shows lose points with me there for their first 13 episodes. For Firefly, the random Chinese slang bugged me, as did the "gorram" sort of slang, and it bugged me in the same self-consciously-trying-too-hard way BtVS S1's Teenage So-Calese slang bugged, at the beginning of BtVS S1. I find the BtVS characters more compelling. I didn't know a lot about the Firefly characters, and it seemed like the game was to make me learn it slowly. In retrospect, I find that off-putting, but don't recall how I felt about it at the time. A slow reveal is nice, but if I don't care what happens to the characters (I'm still in this place, wrt "Lost"), my love isn't going to last.

Angel's first 13 episodes may have been better than either BtVS's or Firefly's. Granted, Angel had a home field advantage so to speak, as both the main character, and one of the two sidekicks, were well established. In other words, I cared about both Cordy and Angel going in. But Angel made me care enough about Doyle in X episodes, to care when he was killed off. I expected not to be happy about Wes joining the crew. Boy, was I wrong, there.


Steph L. - Jan 06, 2005 9:16:51 am PST #2962 of 3531
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

For Firefly, the random Chinese slang bugged me, as did the "gorram" sort of slang, and it bugged me in the same self-consciously-trying-too-hard way BtVS S1's Teenage So-Calese slang bugged, at the beginning of BtVS S1.

Oh, HELL yes. This. So so SO much.


DavidS - Jan 06, 2005 9:18:21 am PST #2963 of 3531
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Of the two of us, which one is the boss of me?

Why can't it be Jessica? She's got blue hair, and surely that's a good indicator of management skills. I think she would totally whip your life into shape. Your cooking skills would improve, your hair color would be adventurous, and I'm pretty sure she wouldn't just leave you in Cincinnati. You should let Jessica be the boss of you.


Steph L. - Jan 06, 2005 9:19:06 am PST #2964 of 3531
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

You should let Jessica be the boss of you.

Since she's also Meh on Firefly, this could work....


Topic!Cindy - Jan 06, 2005 9:19:32 am PST #2965 of 3531
What is even happening?

ETA: the thing about Angel's calls didn't sound as porny in my head.

That's too bad.

And I fell in love with it and developed a mad Mal-crush from the DVDs.
Nilly's probably the only (current) power in the 'verse to evoke the remnants of my faded passion for FF.

(not the unaired ones on the DVDs, because why would I buy DVDs of a show I didn't like),

I have them, can't be arsed to watch them. That said, I think I would buy most TV/Film DVDs with the hand of Joss on them, just 'cause. My love of his enormous squishy frontal lobe knows few bounds, and I will go see the film, as well.


Jessica - Jan 06, 2005 9:20:00 am PST #2966 of 3531
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Tep, I hereby order you to remain in the Firefly Wasn't So Great Club. And make me a sandwich.


DavidS - Jan 06, 2005 9:20:27 am PST #2967 of 3531
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

For Firefly, the random Chinese slang bugged me, as did the "gorram" sort of slang, and it bugged me in the same self-consciously-trying-too-hard way BtVS S1's Teenage So-Calese slang bugged, at the beginning of BtVS S1.

I loved the Chinese slang, and learned to love the gorram-ary. It was consistent in it's interior logic and world-building. It might have required a buy-in, but once you made that adjustment then it added a lot of texture to the show.


Steph L. - Jan 06, 2005 9:20:56 am PST #2968 of 3531
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Tep, I hereby order you to remain in the Firefly Wasn't So Great Club. And make me a sandwich.

"Woman! Get back in the kitchen and make me a SAMMICH!"


DavidS - Jan 06, 2005 9:21:33 am PST #2969 of 3531
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Tep, I hereby order you to remain in the Firefly Wasn't So Great Club. And make me a sandwich.

Look at that commitment! She is ready to take charge. She is not shirking responsibility - oh no.