I've read an Acker interview where she said the original plan was for them to draw the remnants of Fred out of Illyria in Season 6 and have her play two parts. Dunno if that's how it would have actually played out had the show continued though—my impression is that fan response to Illyria was much warmer than to Fred.
We knocked 'em deader!
Willow ,'Lies My Parents Told Me'
Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?
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Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 10, 2004 10:34:38 pm PST #2669 of 3531
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
DCJensen - Dec 10, 2004 10:46:12 pm PST #2670 of 3531
All is well that ends in pizza.
I was pretty sure they had a plan to remove Fred. It had to do with the crystal creatures they were fighting, and Fred's sudden trip to the lab, and the fact that her eye crystalized before Illyria took over.
Lyra Jane - Dec 11, 2004 3:05:10 am PST #2671 of 3531
Up with the sun
otherwise, the season would have ended with Angel joining the Circle of the Black Thorn, and the last season would have been about building that scam up, then ending at about the same place.
But, see, that would have made sense.
I think the way they did it just felt very rushed --- like the writers thought, gee, we have to wrap the show up, and we haven't established this Sooper Sekrit Villain Cabal yet, let's just toss 'em in there anyhow.
SailAweigh - Dec 11, 2004 6:08:18 am PST #2672 of 3531
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb
the fact that her eye crystalized before Illyria took over.
That was my wank from the beginning. I really wanted to see that happen. Ah, well.
Lilty Cash - Dec 11, 2004 6:09:07 am PST #2673 of 3531
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."
I thought I remembered hearing that not much in S5 changed after news of the cancellation, and that this was always the way it was going to end. Of course, I read that at the same time I read the spoilers for the finale, and all I could say was "The FUCK??"
ETA: And what are the thoughts on the eye crystallization? What did that do?
SailAweigh - Dec 11, 2004 6:27:28 am PST #2674 of 3531
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb
I got the feeling the only reason Illyria could "tap" into Fred was because there were pieces of her left that shouldn't be there. And those pieces were trapped when the yucky bugs they were battling at the beginning of the show infected Fred. They didn't infect her at the beginning of the show, she infected herself once she knew she was dying. Maybe she figured by being crystallized it would preserve her DNA or something and she could be cloned. Who knows, the wank could take a number of different paths from there. And I would have believed it.
Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 11, 2004 8:01:25 am PST #2675 of 3531
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I'm not sure I buy anything Fred could do in her lab being effective against a Great Old One's predestined efforts at resurrection. Then again, I'm not sure I buy Wesley's department being able to cobble together something that could safely dispel the power of said Great Old One, and I've had almost a year to get used to the idea since actually seeing it air.
I think the way they did it just felt very rushed --- like the writers thought, gee, we have to wrap the show up, and we haven't established this Sooper Sekrit Villain Cabal yet, let's just toss 'em in there anyhow.
The one saving grace for me was that they were all players that Angel & Co. had been introduced to earlier in the season via their work at Wolfram & Hart.
DCJensen - Dec 11, 2004 9:09:29 am PST #2676 of 3531
All is well that ends in pizza.
I'm not sure I buy anything Fred could do in her lab being effective against a Great Old One's predestined efforts at resurrection.
My thought at the time was that she injected herself with the crystal creature venom.
Cass - Dec 11, 2004 1:16:15 pm PST #2677 of 3531
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
It turns out that Buffy S7 and Angel S5, while both final seasons for their respective series, are not the same thing. This dawned on me in the middle of Firefly. The resulting exclamation startled my visitors, to say the least. I am very sorry for causing confusion and extra work.Hee. Right after I checked Costco's site I wondered if maybe it was a last season mix-up because my brain suddenly did the same thing. No worries at all.
I think the way they did it just felt very rushed --- like the writers thought, gee, we have to wrap the show up, and we haven't established this Sooper Sekrit Villain Cabal yet, let's just toss 'em in there anyhow.
The one saving grace for me was that they were all players that Angel & Co. had been introduced to earlier in the season via their work at Wolfram & Hart.It felt very very rushed to me, but then the show was ending... I just did a little mental hand-waving about the whole SSVC being so easily destroyed.
sumi - Dec 11, 2004 3:28:52 pm PST #2678 of 3531
Art Crawl!!!
We are, in fact, getting Season 5 dvds before Region 2 is -- the only time for either Buffy or Angel that this has happened, I think.