they're evil people who need people.
And the evilest people in the world...
A Bronzer has a Buffy & Angel Timeline that starts around the 1600s and goes forward. I haven't looked at it for a long time, but it's here:
The money was too good. I got stupid.
Jayne ,'Ariel'
Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?
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Topic!Cindy - May 14, 2004 2:28:09 pm PDT #257 of 3531
What is even happening?
Topic!Cindy - May 14, 2004 2:29:36 pm PDT #258 of 3531
What is even happening?
victor infante - May 14, 2004 2:51:48 pm PDT #259 of 3531
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
1974: Barry Manilow II is released on LP. The song “Mandy” has a profound impact on Angel, who will even attend his concerts. The album will go double platinum.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
aurelia - May 14, 2004 2:53:21 pm PDT #260 of 3531
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
Sometimes. Other times they're just dangling threads left there to drive the fans crazy.
Signed, Still Bitter About Halfrek's "William?"
I love the occasional thing like this. It leaves room for me to imagine some life changing event Cecily had after rejecting William that led to her becoming a vengance demon. The idea that William and Cecily could've had normal mundane lives if she'd been more open to his advances (or at least hadn't knocked him down on that particular night) intrigues me.
In terms of Spike's contribution to AtS... I think Spike has made Angel reflect on his past more and examine his choices and his path more closely. And the old married couple exchanges are damn funny.
DebetEsse - May 14, 2004 3:00:23 pm PDT #261 of 3531
Woe to the fucking wicked.
But it's backwards. Halfrek was before Cecily (Reference to the Crimean War with Anya), so either Halfrek was taking a break or was on a (related or not) vengence mission. That she remembers William makes me think/wank that it was related, somehow, to him.
Polter-Cow - May 14, 2004 3:18:43 pm PDT #262 of 3531
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Elimi-Stake: One male or female vampire goes on a date with four others - each round, the least desirable one is staked.
That's brilliant.
Also, thanks for the timelines, ita and Cindy!
aurelia - May 14, 2004 3:28:40 pm PDT #263 of 3531
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
Halfrek was before Cecily (Reference to the Crimean War with Anya)
Oh, right. Forgot about that.
Still, plenty of plot bunnies to explore.
Kristen - May 14, 2004 3:31:43 pm PDT #264 of 3531
Who tried?
ita, if you remind me next time I see you, I'll tell you the story.
§ ita § - May 14, 2004 4:58:15 pm PDT #265 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I will remember, Kristen.
Matt the Bruins fan - May 15, 2004 4:51:01 am PDT #266 of 3531
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
His size may have been difficult to work around.
CK is even tinier, and I don't recall him being a bad fit for the show.
Overall, I think Spike has been a detriment to the show (quelle surprise). He was well-used in "Destiny" and "Soul Purpose," and I truly loved seeing him get smacked down by a muppet in "Smile Time." But in most episodes he sucked up screentime that could have been better used on just about anyone else, and the preponderance of Spike-centric episodes early on was really grating. To be fair, things have gotten better as the season's progressed.
...eventually culminating in his Manilow loving days, wherein, in a moment of weakness, he fed on someone who was already dead.
You interpreted the diner guy as already dead? I took that as a "well, he's about to die anyway" reaction on Angel's part.
I'm trying to think of an example of a show creator who successfully stopped their show from continuing or being spun off without them.
I don't think it's hyperbole to say that Joss may have the largest devoted cult fandom currently active (I read it as more widespread than Rockne O'Bannon's/David Kemper's). He might not be able to stop the studio from making a Buffy show without him, but I'm fairly confident he could ensure that the effort was DOA.
Well, I'm now in Chicago at the Flashback Weekend con. I have briefly sat at a table with Camden Toy (very funny, animated talker), Stephanie Romanov (so totally unlike her character it's amazing) and Christian Kane (who joked that Boreanaz was already in town, but busy getting knee-deep in whisky). This morning I go in for my photo ops with the latter two, and hope that I can get them to wear my "Angel's Bitch" sign for the photos.